I am working with cci lpp, winchester brass, bullseye powder and rainier 230 grain hollow points. I am very confused to say the least. Rainier advises to use lead bullet data. I only have 2 manuals as of now, Lee and Lyman. Lee gives starting load of 4 grains and never exceed of 4 grains. Lyman gives no data for 230 grain lead. Lee gives min oal of 1.190. Can some of you pros help me with a starting grain for bullseye? I do not want to have a kb. I also need a min oal. I am loading for a Colt Series 80 45 acp. I have a Lee Classic Turret and Lee Carbide Dies. Also how much flare is necessary for bullet seating? With this information I can set my dies and make a couple of dummy rounds. Thanks for all your help!!! Dirtyjoe Wanna kill these ads? We can help!