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Discussion in 'Hunting, Fishing & Camping' started by -, Mar 10, 2004.


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    The rifle issue was covered well, now what about a handgun to go along with it. I know there is some argument for a large caliber but I was thinking maybe a 9mm for the capacity. I have wanted a G17 for a while anyway. The G21 has a chance as well. The only problem for me is that my PD has a policy against carrying anything larger than .40 for off duty carry (believe me I know how dumb it is but I can't change it). Let me know what you guys think.
     

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    What's your intended use of the gun?

    Even a G20 is pretty light for bear repellent. I have friends who live in Alaska and work for the State DNR. They don't consider handguns very viable for protection against bears. Their recomendation is a rifle at least .300 Win mag prefer .338 or a 12 Ga with slugs.

    General personal protection against 2 legged varmits carry your normal gun.

    and yeah I read the story a year ago about the guy killing the Grizzly with a 9MM FMJ, but I wouldn't want to count on that type of performance.
     
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    Well, I understand that a handgun would not be the ideal choice for putting a bear down. However I plan on taking a rifle and was considering the handgun options for back up purposes. One of those worse case scenario type of things. I can see the value of a .44 but don't really think that is practical for me. The 20 is an optoin though.
     
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    If I were hunting and faced with 3 choices for a back-up:
    1) No Gun
    2) .40 cal
    3) 10mm
    I would go with the 10mm.
    Get some 200 gr. CorBon hunting loads and pray that you never have to use them on a big bear.
     
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    I am an Alaska native.A g20 is to light for large bears.My Alaska handgun would be a 44 mag with hot loads,or a 454 casull.If i had no choice--nothing or a Glock,i would carry g20 with the hottest loads possible,but truthfully--its not enough gun.
     
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    Imagine a 1600 pound pitbull--unleashed and running at you full speed--then you will have an idea of what you would be up against.Many many hunters have been well armed with magnum rifles and looking for grizzlies and gotten killed by them.I remember one guy was bird hunting,and a grizzly charged him,it ran into him so hard that it bent the barrel of his shotgun.They are faster in a quarter mile than a quarter horse.Just some food for thought!!!;)
     
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    Ok, so even if you have the biggerst guns available the bear still wins. I have confidence in my abitites with the Glocks vs the Wwheelguns. I mean the way you make it sound there is no winning a confrontation. Keep in mind I plan to walk away if possible. How about a two gun setup. A 20 on each side. When he charges I draw and give him 20 rounds.

    Maybe I should leave the guns at home and bring some running shoes.
     
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    If you are set on carrying a Glock, then get a G20 and fill the clips with DoubleTap 200gr FP or 220gr. FP
    www.doubletapammo.com
    If you want to get a 6"bbl then you can get another 100fps over the "boxflap"
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    Knew a girl who lived in Alaska, worked in the summers when she was a bit younger on the commerical and semicommerical fishing boats. She said minimum armarment for going ashore was a .44 Mag wheelgun, or a 12ga with slugs.
     
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    I live here in Alaska, fish and hunt here, too. Carry a 12 ga and slugs with you, have your G20 on your hip, and some common sense and you'll be fine. Bears up here are like drunk drivers on Sat nights. It happens but I wouldn't lose sleep over it. Just enjoy your time up here.
     
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    Please don't take this as confrontational but take it as good advice.

    You are asking for opinions here yet despite advice not to, you still want to carry the stupid pistol. Have you ever seen a live Grizzly or Kodiak at spitting distance?? I guarantee NO or you would not have even started this thread. A pistol is NOT enough for bears. I have seen a few truly large bears at close range as well as having the misfortune of seeing bear attack VICTIMS twice in my life.

    The thought of "backing away" is a valid one but it doesn't always end up that way. The only good thing with bears is that confrontations are fairly rare. Personally I'd go the Marlin .45-70 Guide Gun route with the full boat Buffalo Bore ammo, or a good Rem 870 with slugs. Bear Guides usually are armed with .458 Win Mags or at minimum .375 H&H's.



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    2240 is right on. In the interior brown's are pretty unusual and I am happy with just a handgun and common sense.

    Thousands of people backpack and fish all over Alaska every year with no weapons at all!
     
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    I really do appreciate insight or I would not have started the thread, but I think commenting on the various replies is the only way to clarify them for me.

    I actually have seen a grizzly before in person but it was pretty young and was going the other way.(Which, I guess is the best way to see them) I do realize that a pistol would not be the ideal weapon for bears and I think I mentioned that I planned on taking a rifle for that reason. I was only looking for some ideas about bringing a G20 for backup purposes. I have shot large wheel guns and really don't like them for accuracy, round capacity, quick reloading ability, or comfort in carry.

    I plan on doing a lot of fishing while in AK and just don't think I want to do so while carrying a long arm. I carry a glock daily and really like them for lots of reasons. And truthfully I dont think a wheel gun would afford me the accuracy using a large caliber under a stressful situation. If a large caliber wheel gun is the ONLY viable option then I could purchase one and put in alot of time to see if I could improve my skills enough to feel comfortable.

    That being said I rely on the common sense thing every day anyway so that will help as well.
     
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    JUSTACOP, wanna hear a couple of stories? I believe just last summer a guy shot and killed a Brown Bear with a 9mm. Two guys were fishing and the bear charged them. One guy had a 12ga and in the course dropped the shotgun. His buddy whom had a 9mm shot and killed the bear to save the day. The other story involved Fish and Game guys. I believe they carry G22's up here. Are you familiar with Timothy Treadwell? He's the bear activist from California who decided the bears up here need protection from humans, LOL. Anyways, after a Brown Bear decided that Timothy look like an Oscar Meyer wiener and ate him and his girlfriend for lunch (they were unarm of course). Fish and Game had to come in and investigate. While they were there investigating they had to destroy two bears because the bears were stalking the investigators. These bears were shot with 12ga and .40's. Just wanted to share these stories with ya. BTW, how are you bringing the handgun up here? Hope you're flying. Canada won't let you step foot inside their border with a handgun even if you're a cop.
     
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    Thanks for the reply, and I do remember the Treadwell story. Makes you wonder about who needs protection. I was looking at the idea of driving at first but I think flying is gonna be the best option, for a few reasons, including the firearm transport issue.
     
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    If you rule out a long gun your only logical choice is a large Revolver. If you stick to then beaten path (Tourist Areas) you probably won't even see a Bear. If you get off into more remote areas you will be exposed to Bears. It is my understanding you can legally transport handguns through Canada (as it was a few years back) after makeing proper arrangments. If you want information I'll get it for you.:)
     
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    Not every bear you come into contact with if aggressive,its like a stray dog,some will run off at the sound of a person,some will not.I did not mean to make it seem like a no win situation,its just that i was always taught to be safe,and properly armed in the bush,and i always walked out alright.I do remember running into people in the Alaskan wilderness without weapons,But truthfully,these people were considered by myself,(and all the people i grew up with there),to be either, 1)idiots,or 2)Just uneducated and usually from the lower 48.All you need to do is use common sense,stay alert and be properly armed,and then just enjoy the sights!!^c
     
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    A US citizen can transport rifles/shotguns through Canada with little problem. But now one must register those guns and pay a fee as well. The Canadian form of gun control.
    Handguns can be taken through Canada, say up to AK, but must be in a locked case. The Canadian Customs Officers then inspect, then seal case with a wire tie sort of affair. That tie MUST be intact when you leave Canada. At least that was the drill four years ago. Again.....may have changed.

    One can also just ship a handgun up to an FFL in Ak, but unsure of any fees on the FFL's end.

    FN in MT