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After first 500 rounds/fail to feed Glock 27 should I worry?

Discussion in 'General Glocking' started by Peace Officer, Jul 18, 2012.

  1. Peace Officer

    Peace Officer

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    After I have shot the first 500 rounds through my new/clean Glock 27 I had one failure to feed,(slide back position) using Winchester ammo. Need to worry? Still Glock Perfection? Please advise.
     
  2. BenjiEDF

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    No. (short answer)

    1/500 is .002 and that is statistically insignificant EVEN if you are assuming that ammunition is 100% reliable (fallacy). Glock on bro.
     
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  3. barth

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    I had a FTF with my G27.
    1 in about 4500 rounds.
    It's disheartening to ever have a FTF.
    But hard to believe it's not a slightly out of spec round.
    Particularly with target ammo.

    Even the best auto can have an occasional FTF.
    If I want 100.00% reliability I look to my S&W revolvers.
     
  4. Glock40man

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    :agree:
     
  5. Beretta92guy

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    if you shoot enough rounds you are going to have a bad round eventually.....

    and with the QC of todays ammo, you don't really have to shoot that much....

    my last range trip, out of 300 rounds i had a fail to fire (bad primer) and two fail to feeds, both rounds were out of spec. and not seated properly...
     
  6. CDW4ME

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    FTF
    Fail to fire or fail to feed?
    If it was a fail to fire, then I would likely blame the primer.
    Fail to feed, might consider magazine spring replacement?
     
  7. series1811

    series1811 Enforcerator. CLM

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    Practice for FTF (tap, rack, bang).

    I shake my head at people who are so sure their weapon is Tier 1 (or whatever) that they never have to worry about a FTF.

    During my academy days (as student and staff), where we put thousands of rounds through the following weapons at one time or anther, I saw all of the following weapons FTF, (sometimes spectacularly).

    S&W model 13 (usually from unburned powder getting under the extractor star).
    Glock 17
    Glock 22
    Glock 21
    Glock 27
    Glock 18
    Colt M-16 (watched one of these get jammed so bad the instructors couldn't get it unjammed, until a student who had just left the Marine Corp as a firearms instructor came up, took it, unjammed it in about three seconds, and said, "I've only seen that happen about a million times".) :)
    Colt CAR-15
    Colt M-635
    Colt M-4
    Rock River LAR
    H&K MP5
    Sig 226, 228, 229, 220
    Remington 870 (yes, even it).
    S&W model 5906s (so bad they took up an entire class's guns and gave out P228s_.
    S&W 1076's (again to the point they were taken up from a class)

    No piece of firearms machinery, ever works 100 per cent of the time. Especially when you are putting thousands of rounds through it.
     
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  8. G36's Rule

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    And you will not find it there.
     
  9. fuzzy03cls

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    Well in my case it's so rare & have to make it fail. It's never been a gun problem either, always caused from a bad round.
     
  10. SFla27

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    Assuming OP meant failure to feed:

    If you plan to carry the 27, one suggestion that was made in a previous post that I remember is manually put in each self-defense round into the chamber to see if there is a good fit prior to carrying. I have seen rounds that do not go in all that easily. These (if you find any) should be discarded.

    FTF issues can come about when the mag doesn't feed the round up properly. Are you using one magazine? Is it dirty on the inside and in need of a cleaning?

    Did you limp wrist the round prior to the FTF?

    And also, as others have said previously, you could have had a round issue (not enough power).

    Tap-rack-bang drills...Just remember to put the trigger finger back on the frame / trigger guard first. :)


    If OP meant failure to fire:
    You may want to take out the firing pin assembly from the slide and make sure the firing pin channel is nice and dry, in addition to checking the cleanliness of the firing pin itself. Q-tips do fine, along with a small flashlight to check for remaining dust or contaminants prior to re-assembly. Youtube is your friend. Good instructional videos aplenty.
     
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  11. JBS

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    Did you get a high thumb under the slide stop lever?
     
  12. Peace Officer

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    Thank you everyone including 1811 for your comments. Now i can relaxe and get some sleep. Glock on my brothers!
     
  13. Chesafreak

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    I assume you are referring to fail to feed, not fail to fire. In every case of a FTF in a Glock (and a few other brands) that I have had or seen, a tighter grip cured it. FTE is a different story, and one that I have not experienced with a Glock. I can only speak for Gen 3's or earlier because that's all I've shot.
     
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  14. ibedanny

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    I had a stovepipe within myh first 500 rounds with my 27. After that its been flawless.
     
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    Slap, rack, and fire...................... DOC
     
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    series1811 Enforcerator. CLM

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    Does it matter what causes it?
     
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    No ammunition is perfect but for a more harmonious out come I stay away from all calibers of winchester ammunition.
    Try Speer Gold Dots,Federal HST,Remington Golden Sabers ,well you get the point.
    SJ 40
     
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    series1811 Enforcerator. CLM

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    We used to have a bin at Quantico where students would put ammunition that failed to fire (so the FTU could keep statistics on it). It would be scary how many rounds would be in the bin at the end of a range session, with dents in primers, out of only several thousand rounds fired. I even saw several with the primers in backwards, and one with the primer in sideways.

    And, this was federal LE spec ammunition (Federal, Winchester, Speer, and Remington). Not cheap stuff.
     
  19. fuzzy03cls

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    On Glocktalk it does:rofl:
    Pretty much what I shoot. Never had any problem.
     
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  20. SFla27

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    One other item: Although I have never used Winchester target ammo, I remember a recent thread about preferred target / practice ammo amongst the GT clan.

    The ammo that was mentioned more than any other (I think) was Speer Lawman (blue box). There was another that was mentioned, but the brand escapes me at the moment.

    From my own experience, I have been using the Lawman (180 & 165gr FMJ) rounds almost exclusively since then for range practice. So far, I've run about 600 rounds with no issues whatsoever.