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Discussion in 'US Army Forum' started by joeirish, Oct 30, 2010.


  1. joeirish

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    hi all. maybe you could give me some info.
    my son is currently at ft. benning. basic training.
    he was wondering if active military personal
    are exempt from having to get a mi. cpl license
    for when he comes home on leaves and such.
    any help would be appre.
    thanks again
     

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  2. ancient_serpent

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    Is a mi. cpl license a drivers license?
    If so, then if he plans on being able to drive while in the military, he will need it.
     

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  3. Glocks&Ducs

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    I'm not really sure what your actual question is, but...

    There is no place that allows special laws for military personnel unless they are in performance of their duties.

    So, if you question is whether he can carry concealed, without a license, just because he is in the military, the answer is no.

    If you are asking if he can automatically get a concealed license because he is in the military, the answer is still no. He may be exempted from certain portions of any test that might be required, in order to get the license, but I don't know of any state that just hands stuff out to active duty military.
     
  4. Glocks&Ducs

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    I guess that should have been my first question. What is a cpl?
     
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    if by CPL you mean a Concealed Pistol License; he has to take the tests, attend the classes, and fill out the paper work like everyone else.
     
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    is he infantry?

    if so, i recommend he not ccw for the next few years

    even possessing a pistol will be a liability in the near future
     
  8. JBarbaresi

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    this statement is a little ignorant and out of line.

    to the OP, we need to know what your exact question is and where his home will be while on leave. all states and many counties within a state have different laws.

    edit: is "mi. cpl" a michigan concealed pistol license?
     
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  9. metrogruntual

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    i'm surprised that you feel this way, perhaps you can share answers to the following:

    how much personal space does a new 11B have?

    what do 11Bs enjoy on vacation and/or during time off?

    when PCSing OCONUS, what happens to personal firearms?
     
  10. dennishix

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    Well lets see, it won't matter if he lives in Goverment quarters Barracks/Housing (POW's) Personaly Owned Weapons are prohibited in Billets. If the Soldier lives off post then State Laws apply. Soldiers enjoy many of the same things that everyone else does.
    What does INFANTRY have to do with this?
    What Liability will a Soldier have?
     
  11. HoldHard

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    Yes.

    This is a link to the Michigan CPL requirements from the state website:

    http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,1607,7-123-1591_3503_4654-10926--,00.html

    It contains these references to Active Duty:

    It appears that he will meet the resident requirements but still has to meet the additional requirements for training and certification. Those are outlined in Section A and list an additional 18 items. He must also meet the 9 points in section B which include this reference to military service:

    Hope this helps and please pass along a huge "thank you" to your son for his service from this resident of the Mitten state.....

    HH
     
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  12. JBarbaresi

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    none of the questions you just asked have anything to do with being an 11B specifically, and your original comment made it seem as if he is 11B he will be mentally unstable and incapable of being trusted with a firearm. If that was not your intent I apologize for my misunderstanding. if that was not your intent with your original comment, here are my answers to your questions you have just asked...

    i would assume an 11B has about as much personal space as any new soldier in any MOS, and if he is old enough to own a firearm he will be allowed to store it in the arms room like anyone else. i don't understand your reason for asking this because the original question from the OP was about ccw while home in MI for vacation.

    i can't speak for all 11Bs as to what they enjoy doing on vacation and/or time off, and quite frankly don't really understand how this has anything to do with the OPs question or with your statement about not to ccw for a few years or possessing a firearm being a liability.

    i have never pcs'd oconus so i am not exactly sure about personal firearms, but what would lead you to believe his son would PCS oconus just because he is 11B and again what does this have to do with the OPs question about a MI cpl?
     
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    my perspective is based largely upon experience as an 11b at benning, bragg, lewis, casey and schofield

    hopefully the OP will keep us updated
     
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    Well then based upon your experience why did you make th earlier comments?
     
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    How ridiculous these threads become at times.

    What does serving in the infantry have to do with concealing a pistol becoming a liability?

    BTW, there is a loophole in the law concerning sworn peace officers being able to carry concealed, but I am not sure if military police are included in that or not.

    The entire law is available on-line by using a search.
     
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    for what state(s) ?
     
  17. metrogruntual

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    what i learned from this thread:

    the insatiable curiosity of POGs

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  18. JBarbaresi

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    who are you saying is a POG my friend? i think you are a little confused...
     
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  19. metrogruntual

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    i am quite often confused

    that being said, i'd guess there to be a reservist, a recruiter and perhaps someone from rgr rgt in this thread and none of the above can relate to a regular army/dirty-nasty leg type first few years of the active duty 11b experience

    would i still be wrong?

    :dunno:
     
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  20. JBarbaresi

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    the only statement you have made is that you don't recommend the OPs son CCW for at least a few years if he is 11B because possessing a firearm will be a liability. Then you posed a few very general and unrelated questions and made the comment that your perspective is based on being an 11B, but you haven't stated a perspective. You then accuse everyone of being a POG because they can not follow your logic...

    No one has said they can't relate to being an 11B on active duty. I answered your questions as best I could based off my experiences as an 11B during my first few years on AD. Maybe you can tell us why you weren't allowed to keep a firearm due to limited personal space as an 11B. Maybe you can tell us what all 11B do during their leave. Maybe you can tell us what happens to personal weapons during an OCONUS PCS. Then maybe you can tell us what any of that has to do with an Active Duty Soldier's ability to CCW in Michigan without a CPL.