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Accepatable accuracy with carry handle sights?

Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by collim1, Dec 11, 2012.

  1. Jason D

    Jason D INFRINGED Silver Member Millennium Member

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    I would say not.

    I would still expect at least an 1" to 1.5" at 100 yards with factory plinking ammo.
    I have two 20" Bushmaster rifles that I bought pre2k. One is my DCM match rifle and the other is your standard 20" Hbar XM15. The DCM gun has a 1X8 barrel free-floated and the XM15 your standard 1X9 Bushmaster barrel.

    Both guns have turned in groups of 1" with decent factory stuff, but are sub MOA with my match handloads. I would expect yours to do much better with a decent match type load. Something with a 75-77 grain bullet perhaps. My one in nine really liked the Hornady A-Max bullets.
     
  2. Jason D

    Jason D INFRINGED Silver Member Millennium Member

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    I was lucky enough to specify the sights on my DCM gun, as I had them build it. A smaller aperture helps in Match shooting. The XM15 is now a close copy of the DCM with the addition of NM sights and a hooded aperture.
     


  3. cowboy1964

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    The Camp Perry 1000 yard target is six feet square and has a 20 inch bullseye (10 ring).
     
  4. Cole125

    Cole125 Silver Member

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    Using iron sights a 4 inch group is not bad at all, in my opinion.
     
  5. Keoking

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    I agree. If you need to shoot someone farther out than 100 yards, sneak up on him a little.
     
  6. Warp

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    I would want better than that. I would want 4 MOA from a field position, and I would expect more off of sandbags. 2.5 MOA, let's say, off of bags.
     
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  7. collim1

    collim1 Shower Time!

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    Sounds like I need to practice. .223 is so darn expensive I dont get to shoot near as much as I would if I could afford 250rds a week at ~.46 per round.
     
  8. Warp

    Warp ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

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    Yeah, prices have gone haywire over the last month.

    I had 1k rounds of PMC Bronze .223 with UPS on election day...$336/1k delivered. Then 1k of Federal XM193 for $396 shortly thereafter.

    Not today...not today.
     
  9. 4" iron at 100 yards seems good to me.

    I'm new to irons, too. Doubt I could do better, likely way worse with some fliers.

    But I'll give it a try :)
     
  10. Knighj1

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    bawahahahahhaha
     
  11. Warp

    Warp ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

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    True, new shooters are unlikely to be capable of 4" groups at 100 yards with iron sites.

    Many new shooters won't even be able to create a 'group'
     
  12. trigger45

    trigger45 G23 Millennium Member

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    1.5 inch is what I do all day on mine.in fact I don't want a scope on mine. If I could do it over I'd have bought a 20 inch a2 or a1 instead of a flat top.
     

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  13. azbuckeye

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    Give it time.....With more practice your groupings will improve.
     
  14. trigger45

    trigger45 G23 Millennium Member

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    Just looked at my rifle again in the pix still looks darn good.

    posted using Outdoor Hub Campfire
     
  15. Ruggles

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    We were taught to shoot the A2 using iron sights (carry handle) at man sized silhouettes from up to 500 yards. Even at 19 years olds that was tough to see, no way these days I could do it. I think the best I managed was 8 of 10 in the black back then. That was general issue rifles and ammo, and really pissed D.I. behind us :)

    Today I stick to 100 yards with irons, much easier on the old eyes :)
     
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  16. trigger45

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  17. rv4driver

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    National Match sights will bring groups down from those likely with standard sights, but may not be the best idea for a duty rifle. The Match rear is a very small aperture, and the front sight post is narrower. That makes for more precision, but is harder to acquire quickly.

    The one thing that using a scope shows you, is how much your heartbeat moves the crosshairs! You can hardly see that with iron's. So, there's things happening you don't even know about.

    Then, of course, there's:
    practice
    practice
    practice...

    If you can find the ammo!
     
  18. CigarandScotch

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    I would be satisfied with that grouping with standard irons. I recently changed to a narrower post with a ball on top (my eyes are getting old, too) and that allows me to do much better at 100 yards. Instead of 4-5" groups I can concentrate on the post better and achieve 2-3". Still practicing, though.