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A "Reasonable" & "Common Sense" Gun Law

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by glockman66, Jun 8, 2012.


  1. glockman66

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    Possibly the only reason that it is a "Reasonable" & "Common Sense" Gun Law is because it is being written by two Republicans.:cool::cool:

    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/...ve-seeks-higher-sentences-for--gun-criminals-
    June 7, 2012 at 4:47 pm
    Initiative seeks higher sentences for 'gun criminals'
    By Lauren Abdel-Razzaq
    The Detroit News

    .."We have enough gun laws," said Bouchard. "We need gun criminals paying a higher price for their illegal behavior."..
     

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    More punishment means more costs to the state/feds. Money is more important to people/libs than safety. Change the laws, they will still be let loose as before.
     

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    "We have enough gun laws," said Bouchard. "We need gun criminals paying a higher price for their illegal behavior."

    Amen!...:thumbsup:
     
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    Robbery is robbery, murder is murder. It shouldn't matter if you use a gun, knife, baseball bat, car, plastic bag, chloroform, ...
     
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    Yes, but society isn't trying to ban knives, baseball bats, cars,
    plastic bags or chloroform like they are guns.

    We don't need any more restrictive gun laws.
    We need stricter laws for people who commit crimes using a gun.
     
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    A pretty good gun law is already on the books. It's called the 2nd amendment to the Constitution.
     
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    ...and what does the 2nd amendment prescribe as a punishment for those who commit crimes with a gun?

    That article is about stiffer punishment laws, not gun laws.

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    This has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment. It has nothing to do with gun control or violating your rights.

    It has to do with making those that use a gun to commit a crime pay a higher price. Adding 25 years to prison sentences for gun related crimes makes sense to me. If the amount of people using guns to commit crimes decreases, it works in favor for the rest of us. If gun crime goes down, then no reason to encroach on our rights.
     
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    Meh? :dunno:

    I do like the idea of longer sentences for aggravating factors, but am not to hot on mandatory minimum sentencing, as there may be mitigating factors too.
     
  11. countrygun

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    It completely misses the point of a law to give greater penalties for the tool used to commit the crime and it cheapens the justice for the victims, or their families, to give a lesser sentence because a lesser too was used.

    Explain to an eight-year-old that if his Dad's killer hadn't used a baseball bat and instead chosen a gun he would have gotten a longer prison sentence.
     
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    Based on past performance, giving judges sentencing discretion is like handing your sixteen year old the car keys and a quart of bourbon.
     
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    Because politicians are to trusted so much more than judges. Six of one, half dozen of the other.
     
  14. Bren

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    Reason and common sense tell me that a person murdered with a knife or a hammer is just as dead as one murdered with a gun, so there is nothing reasonable or common-sense about pretending guns are magic and need special legal treatment. How about we make murder illegal? Heck, we could even give it the highest penalties.
     
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    Apparently we have to account for the fact that some methods make them "Deader" than others, and it's the tools to blame.

    It's hard for me to think that someone who believes that, "guns don't cause crime", wants heavier penalties for crimes using guns. Seems oxymoronic to me
     
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    Why don't they just ensure they get the max for the crimes they commit! Actually enforce the death penalty.:faint: You get one year for appeals then we stick the needle in! Not 10 years of appeals!:steamed:
     
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    It always amazes me when people, especially people that profess to be pro gun advocate/champion and generally agree that stricter punishment for crimes commuted with a gun is a good thing. How about crimes committed with Automobiles, swords, knives, bricks, bats, broken bottles? Yes I know... people are deader if the crime is committed with a firearm and people are "more" robbed if robbed at gun point rather than at knife point. :upeyes:

    How about we punish them for the crime committed and not what it was commuted with. Let me see here... If I beat that guy to death with a bat or stab him to death and I get caught I'll only get life, but I shoot him to death I could get life plus 25. Ok I'll use a brick. :rofl:
     
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    Guns are just tools, but they're more efficient tools. RPG's are treated differently than potato guns. Switchblades and knives longer than 3" are frequently treated differently than regular pocket knives. Nuclear bombs are treated differently than cluster bombs.
     
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    The crimes committed are the same but, if it will make you feel better I think armed robbery with a nuclear bomb should have a heavier penalty than with a club:upeyes:

    Get real, seperating the tool is just a step on the road to the stupid "hate crimes" laws we have. First we punish the crime, them we move to the tool and set different penalties, then we jump into the mind of the criminal and tack on extra penalties for having "Bad and unapproved, politically incorrect thoughts during the act of murder":upeyes:

    Punish the crime, regardless of the tool used or the motivation. anything else is horse-dumplings.