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A Little Reality

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by Tiro Fijo, Jan 16, 2012.

  1. pisc1024

    pisc1024 AASG

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    Is this guy serious?
     


  2. Tiro Fijo

    Tiro Fijo

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    Yes. Notice that he has let his personal bias interfere with objective & deductive reasoning. Probably has more to do with his age and the shooting enviornment he was trained in.

    It's a great article, albeit you need to take with a grain of salt his proselytizing in a few places. :whistling:
     
  3. id1otbox

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    I forgot where I read it but don't you have a 1 in 6 or 1 in 7 percent chance of dying from a gun wound. Much less then what most people would assume.
     
  4. RichardB

    RichardB Silver Member

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    Possibly his experience and that of other LEOS does not coincide exactly with we were told to expect from ammo which "passed" the gelatin test protocols?

    Good post.
     
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2012
  5. Rumbler_G20

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    I'm kind of surprised that so many folks here are missing the point. Kinda scares me a little. :crying:


    Obviously the huge vast majority of people - including people here - have never actually been in a gunfight. And those few that have, and I know for sure a few here have, often are more than a little hesitant to talk about it.


    But if you could talk to them 'heart to heart' about their experiences they would tell you that unless you use a caliber weapon sufficient to vaporize a torso leaving the limbs unattached to it, "center of mass" hits absolutely ARE NOT a guaranteed threat ender.

    You folks that figure practicing center of mass shots at 7-yards is appropriate training; read that again. Please.

    You need to be able to place shots finitely out to the effective range limit of your weapon.

    Why? Simple. Aim small, miss small. You better be shooting for a CNS hit if you want to stop the threat and that is an awful small area on a moving partially obscured target wearing body armor. If you can make a 50 yard three inch group consistently, a ten yard 2" group *might* be possible under severe stress.


    Please, don't overlook the trees because of the forest.:wavey:
     
  6. Zombie Steve

    Zombie Steve Decap Pin Killa

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    I can't speak for the others, but I got the point. It's why we say in here all the time "keep shooting until the threat is stopped". It's just hard to get past a few of the silly things he says.
     
  7. wanderinwalker

    wanderinwalker 6 of .44

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    Interesting read. I understood the author to be making the points:

    1) Anything worth shooting is worth shooting multiples times. Not just twice.

    2) More ammo is merrier.

    3) Bigger bullets are merrier but not a be-all end-all.

    4) Keep shooting and don't give up the fight until the fight is over.
     
  8. jeffreybehr

    jeffreybehr Silver Member

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    ...uhh...is that a 1-in-6 or 1-in-7 chance of dying from a GS wound, or a 6-percent or 7-percent chance of dying from a GS wound?
     
  9. WiskyT

    WiskyT Malcontent

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    Sure, and 19 heart shots typically fail to stop threats.
     
  10. Zombie Steve

    Zombie Steve Decap Pin Killa

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  11. PghJim

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    I will say that he is good. And to think I complain about carrying one Glock. He carries two full size 1911's.
     
  12. id1otbox

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    Around 15% percent chance I think.

    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5002a1.htm

    That study says about 30% but that includes suicides. If you take suicides into account your around 15%.