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A good reliable, affordable, semi-automatic 12 gauge for the wife.

Discussion in 'Tactical Shotguns' started by Teecher45, Aug 7, 2010.

  1. Teecher45

    Teecher45

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    Looking for a semi for the wife. She doesn't have a lot of experience with guns and am afraid she would panic and forget to pump or just plain miss with the pistols. Is the saiga a good HD weapon? I work for the state, so let's keep price a factor. Thanks in advance...
     
  2. 9mmdude

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    My 2 cents,

    No gun will replace a lack of shooting experience.

    A Remington 20 gauge 870 pump shotgun will fit your wife as well as any semi-auto. If you buy an express model and take your $$ savings and buy a ton of cheap walmart shells you can have your wife practice and run that shotgun like she has owned it for years. The pump will be reliable and offer a home defense solution that a Semi-Auto will not.

    -Semi-Autos are for fun
    -Pumps are for real.

    Once she gets the 870 experience you can branch out and look at handguns. Many ranges offer instruction at low prices and females who have never been around firearms tend to learn a lot quicker than males. They do not have bad habits to break and usually grasp the instruction quickly.
     


  3. GlockPride

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    I'm really in the same camp as 9pm. Well said.
    If the wife is recoil-sensitive another in house option might be .410. I'm not a huge fan, but it would work at room and hall distances.
     
  4. method

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    Skip the Saiga, it's not ergonomically ideal for a novice gun handler.
     
  5. Z71bill

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    I went through the exact same thought process as you -

    Wanted a shotgun for my wife - figured a semi auto would be a better choice - I went with a 20 gauge - not because of recoil - but because it is lighter - and because of the - will she forget to pump it problem.

    IMHO it is a wash - reliability of the pump is offset by ease of use / less recoil of a semi auto.

    My wife could barely lift my 870 up into firing position.

    I would look at the Mossberg semi auto - if your wife is small try the youth model.

    I wanted a 20 gauge semi auto Mossberg youth model - but could never seem to find one (they are all over now:upeyes:) - I bought a Hatsan Escort 20 gauge youth model at Academy with the 22 inch barrel - it was on sale $300 out the door. It has been 100% reliable with Walmart target loads & #3 buckshot.

    I wonder if the people that shun a semi auto for a HD shotgun feel the same way about a semi auto pistol for CC? Wouldn't a revolver be better? :upeyes:

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    I ended up trimming the hard rubber butt pad just below the little holes and installing a slip on Limbsaver recoil pad.

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  6. mixflip

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    Modern high quality semi-auto shotguns arent the same as the old finicky semis of the past that the "unreliable" reputation was born from.

    Ask most competitive shotgun shooters who have thousands of shotgun rounds down range under timed stress courses of fire and almost all will tell you that they have seen more malfunctions with pump action shotguns than semi autos.

    Would I choose a semi as my 1st layer of defense? No. Not because of facts and statistics...but because I am stubborn and old school. I love my Benelli SuperNova Tactical pump action 12 gauge thats all. Would I trust my life and my families life to my Mossberg 930 SPX? Absolutely yes!!! It still has not had a malfunction while my Mossberg 590 and Remington 1187 semi both have had FTF's.

    Of course most pump FTF's are due to user error but user error is still a big factor in stressful shooting for anyone new to shotguns. There is a substantial learning curve that most do not commit to mastering with pumps.

    Training is really the key. Learn to run wut ya brung!
     
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  7. Z71bill

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    I agree with everything in your post - I am also an old school guy with 3 pump action 12 gauge shotguns:wavey:

    I decided a semi auto was better for my wife -

    I shot a few hundred rounds through it before she fired it once - I wanted to make sure it was safe - and worked like it should.

    Guess what I did the first couple shots?

    BANG - then I tried to PUMP THE ACTION :embarassed:- BTW - it is really hard to pump a semi auto. :upeyes:

    Training is important - but people need to be realistic - I only go to the range 6 or 7 times a year - my wife goes most of the time - but not always - 4 times maybe 5 -

    Most people want a firearm that is easy to use - easy to shoot - provides good level of power - and does not take 500 hours of training. I will say - point and click simple -:dunno:

    I am not saying it would not be better to spend many hours in training - just that there are a whole lot of people that will never do this.

    If instead they can - after a few trips to the range learn the basics - and then 1 or 2 refresher trips a year - gain the knowledge to use the weapon - they are 1,000% better off than having no gun at all.
     
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  8. MJB

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    If you are afraid that she would forget to pump a shotgun then she may also forget to take it off safe. I have shot many a shotshell and I have done this myself while hunting and shooting clays. It always happened on the first shot, which of course, would most likely be the one needed most in a SD situation. This is one reason I prefer a Glock or Revolver for SD purposes.

    Choose her weapon carefully and have her practice a lot.
     
  9. FH Alum

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    http://www.rossiusa.com/news-detail.cfm?newsID=25

    Granted it's .410 vs. 12ga, but I wouldn't discount a 3" load of 00 out of this.

    light recoil, quick reload, no short stroke issue, no safety issue.

    I really want one, don't know what for other than I just think it's cool.
     
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  10. Weatherby SA-08. $449 is the regular price. You might be able to beat that. Reliable, lightweight, good recoil pad, gas action to lighten felt recoil. They also make a youth model if she is small. My Beretta AL390 (up to $557 now at W.M.) is just as reliable but no recoil pad. The weatherby is sold at Sportsmans whse and sometimes at Dick's sporting goods. Prob. also at Academy and others.
     
  11. twag4

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    But, you have to admit, if the bad guy hears the action of the pump--he will most likely depart. He won't hear the semi-auto and sh&#@$t himself.
     
  12. method

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    That nonsense doesn't get much heed around these forums. Think of it this way, he may turn tail, or he could just as easily start spraying lead in the general direction of the big scary sound, since he now knows where you are.
     
  13. Glocker08

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    Racking the bolt on a semi-auto makes that scurry sound too. :tongueout:

    :agree:
     
  14. Z71bill

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    When I chamber a round in my semi auto shotgun it sounds like someone just loaded a round in a shotgun. :upeyes:

    999/1,000 people breaking into houses in the middle of the night will recognize the sound.

    We can debate if having the BG know I just loaded a round into my shotgun is a good thing or not - but make no mistake - they will hear the sound.
     
  15. I would also recommend the 870 pump, easier to learn
    on and very reliable.
    I would teach my girls and wife on a pump, then when
    they got more experience they could tackle the auto.
    Same as teaching them on a revolver, then move to
    a semi-auto.
    You may find like mine they wanted to stay with the
    pump once they got comfortable with it.
    Like the fellows above said, shoot it, shoot it, and shoot
    it some more.
    Here is a good one for the ladies unless they are small
    frame and need a youth model.

    http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/37_64/products_id/41038
     
  16. twag4

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    You guys clearly have a very high end class of house thieves and rapists in your neck of the woods. Our criminals don't want confrontation normally. And I thought most of you guys keep one in the chamber, No? No doubt a semi-auto will do the trick. But Having both myself, there is no doubt that a pump is much much more intimidating.
     
  17. NDCent

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    This is starting to remind me of a semi auto pistol verses revolver thread.
     
  18. Z71bill

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    Why do you think it is easier to learn how to shot a pump?

    I do not see much difference -

    Not exactly sure if this is 100% right -

    First of all - more practice is better than less - no doubt about that -

    I think the concept goes something like - if you train to do something enough - then when the time comes that you need to use the skills - you will most likely do what you were trained to do - without needing to really think about it.

    Although I agree with this in concept - for police - military - and other highly trained people -

    I doubt that my wife will never train enough so the skills of pumping the action will become "automatic" - When under the stress and threat of a home invasion or attempted rape/murder.

    So this is how I end up with a semi auto for her - because I think it is easier to use / more reliable way to put lead on a target under extreme stress.

    I will keep using a pump action 12 gauge - but still think a semi is a good choice for my wife.
     
  19. Teecher45

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    FH ALUM is on the right track. We spent the day sat looking at several different types and yesterday we ordered a Taurus Judge public defender and picked up two boxes of the Winchester pdx1 for it. It will also double as her CCW, and our fishing gun. I fully supported this decision.