9X25 Loading Data

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  1. Mike,

    You got me fired-up on the Dillon 9x25 again. I've got some 90FMJ's from Mike McNett and I think some 115's. I'm going to chronograph. What a great, fun cartridge! I've also got plenty of Blue Dot, sized 9x25 Dillon nickel plated brass and CCI 300 Primers... but, I don't have any jacketed 9mm bullets. I've got some Rainer plated, but those won't work at those speeds. I'm off next week... I'll post some data on a couple of Mike McNett's 9x25's next week. Thanks man!

    -Jay
     

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    #61 whenmonkeysfly, May 22, 2010
    Last edited: May 22, 2010
  2. Taterhead

    Taterhead Counting Beans

    Can't see anything wrong with those. :supergrin:

    Crap. Am I going to have to start exploring the "9mm super magnum?" Oh the intrigue!

    Thanks for posting those pics and load data.
     

  3. I just got my 9x25 Dillon dies, and a couple pounds of Blue Dot & Longshot to play with. I am definitely going to load up some 90gr & 115gr XTP's with Blue Dot, but has anyone loaded 9x25 Dillon with Longshot?
     
  4. _The_Shadow

    _The_Shadow Ret. Fireman

    Meathead9, I have no experience with LongShot, and no data to assist you, Sorry!

    You will be working sort of on your own, like I did with the Blue Dot when I first started with this caliber/cartridge. If you use this powder, Start low and work up slowly...

    Hodgdon site does have some 357Sig Data which looks nice and should provide a starting place for you to play with for the 9x25Dillon with various bullet weights.

    Good luck, best regards!
     
  5. I finally have some Longshot data for the 9x25 Dillon. I started @ 11.5gr for a 90gr XTP, since 10.0gr is Hodgdon's listed max for a .357sig 115gr JHP. I have to admit I think it was a little aggressive for a starting point, but I haven't had any pressure signs yet.

    Here's what I have so far:

    Sea Level, 88* F
    6.02" LWD Barrel
    Wolff 22# Spring
    1.26 OAL
    CCI300 Primers
    Hodgdon Longshot
    9x25 Dillon Die sized Starline Brass

    11.5gr Longshot/ CCI300
    1864
    1910
    1853
    1848
    1861
    Average: 1867
    ES: 62

    12.0gr Longshot/ CCI300
    1928
    1926
    1918
    1922
    1910
    Average: 1920
    ES: 18

    12.5gr Longshot/ CCI300
    1997
    1932
    1937
    1994
    1973
    Average: 1967
    ES: 65

    I am really happy with Longshot so far. With an average of 1920, and an ES of 18, who could complain? These loads are LOUD! The range I go to is outdoors, and the office is about 50yds away. The girl came out of the office to tell me to stop shooting a Rifle on the Pistol range, but got really confused when all she saw was me and my G20L.


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    I also loaded up the Blue Dot loads for 90gr XTP's that "Gun-adian" posted earlier this year. I worked up from 13.5gr to 15.0gr (indoors) before I had my chrony, with no pressure signs. This time I started @ 14.5gr and worked up to 15.5gr. I'm a little disapointed with my results compared to Gun-adian's, but I'm not giving up on Blue Dot. I think I'll try WLP's, and I may experiment with the OAL. The muzzle flash alone is enough to keep me coming back. Anything above 14.5gr indoors produces the biggest fireball that I have personally seen out of a handgun.

    14.5gr Blue Dot/ CCI300
    Average: 1824fps
    ES: 44

    15.0gr Blue Dot/ CCI300
    Average: 1820fps
    ES: 29

    15.5gr Blue Dot/CCI300
    Average: 1846fps
    ES: 53
     
    #65 Meathead9, Aug 17, 2010
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2010
  6. Thanks for the data Meathead9. I'm waiting for the weather to cool down here in Florida... humidity is killer this time of year. :faint: I've got plenty of Blue Dot on hand, but no Longshot.
     
    #66 whenmonkeysfly, Aug 18, 2010
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2010
  7. _The_Shadow

    _The_Shadow Ret. Fireman

    Thanks, Meathead!

    WhenMonkeysFly...I'm with you we have been very hot & moist here in Louisiana...can't hardly wait to get some cooler & drier weather to be able to shoot without the sweat runnig over the grips, dripping on the pages of notes while gathering chrono data.
     
  8. Here’s some more 9x25 Dillon Load Data using Longshot, with WLP's & CCI350's this time.

    Sea Level, 85* F
    6" LWD Barrel
    Wolff 22# Spring
    1.26 OAL
    9x25 Dillon Die sized Starline Brass
    90gr XTP

    11.5gr Longshot/ WLP
    1913
    1904
    1891
    1896
    1923
    Ave: 1908
    ES: 34

    12.0gr Longshot/ WLP
    1931
    1960
    1934
    1958
    1958
    Ave: 1948
    ES: 29

    12.5gr Longshot/ WLP
    2040
    1922
    1948
    1971
    2015
    Ave: 1979
    ES: 118
     
     
    11.5gr Longshot/ CCI350
    1904
    1846
    1905
    1919
    1875
    Ave: 1889
    ES: 73

    12.0gr Longshot/ CCI350
    1995
    1948
    1940
    1926
    1946
    Ave: 1951
    ES: 69

    12.5gr Longshot/ CCI350
    2014
    1958
    1976
    2054
    2054
    Ave: 2011
    ES: 96


     
    #68 Meathead9, Aug 25, 2010
    Last edited: Aug 25, 2010
  9. Hey Meathead,

    Thanks for the data. Are you using a 90gr XTP Bullet? Still planning on using Blue Dot? As soon as it gets in the mid 80's here, I'm heading to the range! I've got 95gr Montana Gold JHP's, lots of Blue Dot, CCI 300's and CCI 350's. I'd like to get 1900fps.
     
    #69 whenmonkeysfly, Aug 25, 2010
    Last edited: Aug 25, 2010
  10. Yeah, I was using the 90gr XTP's again, I edited the post to add that. I didn't get to 1900fps with Blue Dot yet, but I haven't used Mag Primers. I'll work up some loads with BD & CCI350's next time out. I also want to work up from 12.0gr-12.5gr of Longshot with CCI350's in 0.1 increments, to see if I can tighten up my ES's and groups. I'll also be loading up some 115gr XTP's to test out soon.
     
    #70 Meathead9, Aug 25, 2010
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2010
  11. Here's a picture of the 5 fired cases that were loaded @ 12.5gr Longshot with CCI350's. These are the worst looking primers out of all the rounds I have fired so far, what do you think?

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  12. _The_Shadow

    _The_Shadow Ret. Fireman

    Meathead9, those primers don't look that bad, where these the ones you chrono'ed above? Those velocities are looking good from that LWD long tube. The 5" barrel for my S&W just doesn't get the velocities up there...may have to find me a G-20 to complement the G-29.

    How was the extraction with the Long Shot loads...did they fly very far compared to the 10mm loads?

    Man, I can't wait till this rain is gone and the weather starts to cool off.
     

  13. Yeah those are the cases from the 12.5gr Longshot/CCI350 load that chrono'd over 2000fps. I left in the 22# spring that I use for my 10mm loads, and the brass literally drops at my feet. Every round has cycled perfectly, so is there any reason I should go to a lighter spring? I have the Wolff Calibration kit (17/19/20/22#) so I have a couple options I can try out.
     
    #73 Meathead9, Aug 31, 2010
    Last edited: Aug 31, 2010
  14. _The_Shadow

    _The_Shadow Ret. Fireman

    That was why I asked, I experienced the same thing with some of the loads I tested from DT and also my handloads, using the 22lb spring in my S&W1006.

    It could be tested with the 20lb spring I suppose but I don't know if I'd change the spring and risk having the slide unlock too early, as that may cause unsupported case issues.
     
  15. Ordered some Longshot from Powder Valley yesterday. :)

    (Still way too hot and humid to shoot here.)
     
    #75 whenmonkeysfly, Sep 10, 2010
    Last edited: Jan 2, 2011
  16. These were loaded to tighten up the ES's of my previous testing, while keeping the average velocity over 2000fps. I added a little more crimp this time too.

    Sea Level, 75* F
    6" LWD Barrel
    Wolff 22# Spring
    1.26 OAL
    Hodgdon Longshot
    CCI350 Primers
    9x25 Dillon Die sized Starline Brass

    12.1gr
    2032
    2027
    1995
    2015
    2044
    Ave: 2023
    ES: 49

    12.2gr
    2055
    2045
    2059
    2050
    2038
    Ave: 2049
    ES: 21

    12.3gr
    2047
    2031
    2022
    2067
    2074
    Ave: 2048
    ES: 52

    12.4gr
    2077
    2024
    1999
    2057
    2023
    Ave: 2036
    ES: 78

    Brass/Primers all look good, and brass drops within 4ft of my position. I'm going to stick with the 12.2gr load for the 90gr XTP from now on. Now it's time to get to work on the 115gr XTP's.

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    I also tested some more Blue Dot/90gr XTP loads, this time with CCI350's, and again, a little more crimp. I just wanted try the mag primers out. The sound and flash from these rounds are amazing. The 14.8gr load is my new "wake up the indoor range" round. 14.5gr with CCI300's works for that too.

    Sea Level, 75* F
    6" LWD Barrel
    Wolff 22# Spring
    1.26 OAL
    CCI350 Primers
    Alliant Blue Dot
    9x25 Dillon Die sized Starline Brass

    14.6gr
    1968
    1918
    1988
    1917
    1941
    Ave: 1946
    ES: 70

    14.8gr
    1953
    1941
    1947
    1955
    1930
    Ave: 1945
    ES: 23

    15.0gr
    1911
    1998
    1950
    1954
    1999
    Ave: 1962
    ES: 88

    Brass/Primers all still look good, but I'm happy with what I have done so far, so I don't see a need to go any further with Blue Dot and the 90gr XTP.
     
    #76 Meathead9, Sep 13, 2010
    Last edited: Sep 13, 2010
  17. Meathead,

    Thanks for the most excellent data! Should be getting my Longshot powder Thursday. 12.2 grains of Longshot, AVE 2049 with an ES of 23 is amazing. Now, if the weather will cool down here... I'll try to repeat.

    Where did you get your longslide for your G20? I see Lonewolf has 'em.
     
  18. It's a Lone Wolf. I had to wait a while for mine, but they should have them in-stock now. Make sure you work up slowly, be safe.
     
  19. Does anybody have a set of 9x25 dies they would like to sell?
     
    #79 old wanderer, Oct 5, 2010
    Last edited: Oct 5, 2010
  20. At Sea Level
    Temperature: 85
    6" Lone Wolf Barrel
    Brass: Double Tap 9x25 Nickel-Plated, NEW, Resized with Dillon 9x25 Dies
    Bullet: 95 Grain Montana Gold, JHP
    OAL: 1.260

    Powders: Longshot and Blue Dot

    ALL LOADS ARE MAXIMUM+ LOADS; DO NOT LOAD AT THESE LEVELS UNLESS YOU ARE EXPERIENCED WITH THIS CARTRIDGE!!!

    String 1 - 12 Grains of Longshot Powder and CCI 350 LPM Primers

    1) 1908.0 7.6
    2) 1902.0 1.6
    3) 1909.0 8.6
    4) 1894.0 -6.4
    5) 1889.0 -11.4

    High: 1909.0
    Low: 1889.0
    E.S.: 20.0
    Ave.: 1900.4
    S.D.: 8.7
    95%: ±12.1

    String 2 - 12 Grains of Longshot Powder and CCI 350 LPM Primers

    1) 1906.0 7.5
    2) 1880.0 -18.5
    3) 1917.0 18.5
    4) 1891.0 -7.5

    High: 1917.0
    Low: 1880.0
    E.S.: 37.0
    Ave.: 1898.5
    S.D.: 16.3
    95%: ±29.9


    String 3 - 12.2 Grains of Longshot Powder and CCI 350 LPM Primers

    1) 1924.0 -3.0
    2) 1936.0 9.0
    3) 1918.0 -9.0
    4) 1930.0 3.0

    High: 1936.0
    Low: 1918.0
    E.S.: 18.0
    Ave.: 1927.0
    S.D.: 7.7
    95%: ±14.1

    String 4 - 12.2 Grains of Longshot Powder and CCI 350 LPM Primers

    1) 1904.0 -5.4
    2) 1901.0 -8.4
    3) 1910.0 0.6
    4) 1912.0 2.6
    5) 1920.0 10.6

    High: 1920.0
    Low: 1901.0
    E.S.: 19.0
    Ave.: 1909.4
    S.D.: 7.4
    95%: ±10.3

    String 5 - 15 Grains of Blue Dot with CCI 350 LPM Primers

    1) 1925.0 7.0
    2) 1902.0 -16.0
    3) 1915.0 -3.0
    4) 1939.0 21.0
    5) 1909.0 -9.0

    High: 1939.0
    Low: 1902.0
    E.S.: 37.0
    Ave.: 1918.0
    S.D.: 14.5
    95%: ±20.1

    String 6 - 15 Grains of Blue Dot with CCI 350 LPM Primers


    1) 1924.0 24.0
    2) 1895.0 -5.0
    3) 1858.0 -42.0
    4) 1906.0 6.0
    5) 1917.0 17.0

    High: 1924.0
    Low: 1858.0
    E.S.: 66.0
    Ave.: 1900.0
    S.D.: 25.9
    95%: ±35.9

    String 7 - 15 Grains of Blue Dot with CCI 350 LPM Primers

    1) 1916.0 8.7
    2) 1915.0 7.7
    3) 1904.0 -3.3
    4) 1894.0 -13.3

    High: 1916.0
    Low: 1894.0
    E.S.: 22.0
    Ave.: 1907.3
    S.D.: 10.4
    95%: ±19.1

    String 8 - 15 Grains of Blue Dot with CCI 350 LPM Primers

    1) 1921.0 3.6
    2) 1926.0 8.6
    3) 1924.0 6.6
    4) 1896.0 -21.4
    5) 1920.0 2.6

    High: 1926.0
    Low: 1896.0
    E.S.: 30.0
    Ave.: 1917.4
    S.D.: 12.2
    95%: ±16.9

    String 9 - 15 Grains of Blue Dot with CCI 350 LPM Primers

    1) 1884.0 -1.6
    2) 1884.0 -1.6
    3) 1850.0 -35.6
    4) 1915.0 29.4
    5) 1895.0 9.4

    High: 1915.0
    Low: 1850.0
    E.S.: 65.0
    Ave.: 1885.6
    S.D.: 23.6
    95%: ±32.8


    String 10 - 12.2 Grains of Longshot Powder and CCI 350 LPM Primers

    1) 1974.0 4.8
    2) 1945.0 -24.2
    3) 1992.0 22.8
    4) 1963.0 -6.2
    5) 1972.0 2.8

    High: 1992.0
    Low: 1945.0
    E.S.: 47.0
    Ave.: 1969.2
    S.D.: 17.1
    95%: ±23.7

    String 11 - 12.2 Grains of Longshot Powder and CCI 350 LPM Primers

    1) 1993.0 -4.4
    2) 1993.0 -4.4
    3) 2020.0 22.6
    4) 2014.0 16.6
    5) 1967.0 -30.4

    High: 2020.0
    Low: 1967.0
    E.S.: 53.0
    Ave.: 1997.4
    S.D.: 20.9
    95%: ±29.0

    String 12 - 12.2 Grains of Longshot Powder and CCI 350 LPM Primers

    1) 2017.0 21.2
    2) 1976.0 -19.8
    3) 2014.0 18.2
    4) 1999.0 3.2
    5) 1973.0 -22.8

    High: 2017.0
    Low: 1973.0
    E.S.: 44.0
    Ave.: 1995.8
    S.D.: 20.6
    95%: ±28.6

    String 13 - 12.2 Grains of Longshot Powder and CCI 350 LPM Primers

    1) 1977.0 -8.1
    2) 1971.0 -14.1
    3) 1999.0 13.9
    4) 2000.0 14.9
    5) 1971.0 -14.1
    6) 1975.0 -10.1
    7) 1996.0 10.9
    8) 1996.0 10.9
    9) 1980.0 -5.1
    10) 1986.0 0.9

    High: 2000.0
    Low: 1971.0
    E.S.: 29.0
    Ave.: 1985.1
    S.D.: 11.8
    95%: ±8.9

    (End Of Data)

    I like both these loads, but lean toward the 12.2 Grains of Longshot. It seems to be a little more consistent. That being said, there is nothing like the Blue Dot FLASH! Thanks to Meathead, Kegs, The Shadow for great data/input!

    I am puzzled by the Longshot, in that it seemed to get faster as my barrel heated up? (Notice the last string of data with earlier strings.) Any ideas?

    Primers on both loads were flattening - headspace issues? No smilies, cracks, bulges noted. (I'll try and find the camera a take a couple of pix to post.) I use competition springs from Wolff - 4#Striker Spring and a 6#Trigger Spring with a 3.5 Lone Wolf Connector (same as the Ghost essentially). I was using a Glock stock steel striker and was having a few misfires. I changed-out my steel striker for a Lightning Strike Striker to hopefully correct the problem. (Spoke with Dan at Lone Wolf and he said the 4# Spring just doesn't have the strength to push the weight of the steel striker.) If the Lightning Strike Striker (titanium) doesn't fix the problem, I'll go back to the 5.5# Glock stock striker spring.

    The 12.2 Longshot was weighed twice for accuracy. It seems to have a good ES vs. the Blue Dot, but I didn't weigh the Blue Dot twice (an activity for another day). The Longshot meters well. I'll try and hit the range tomorrow. I've got some Blue Dot, 15 Grains, CCI 300 LP Primers and more of the 12.2 Grains of Longshot with CCI 350 LPM's to shoot. Want to confirm/fix trigger issue.
     
    #80 whenmonkeysfly, Oct 13, 2010
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2010

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