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9mm +P+ FMJ

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by Gertz, Jul 8, 2012.

  1. pck50

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    Wow now thats some cartridges I do miss as also the GECO BAT TRAUMA, But in all honesty a good current decent replacement today would be the HORNADY Critical Duty
    9mm 135 grain +P No Hirtenberger and no GECO BAT TRAUMA But far better then what maybe currently available.



     
  2. Foxtrotx1

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    Technically? She is doing fine. Almost 100 percent.

    You should do some reading on how well the 9mm FMJ does for the US military.
     


  3. spcwes

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    I have to ask the OP, how much penetration are you after? Also are you assuming that on the slight chance you get a tumble it is somehow better than consistant expansion and penetration?
     
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  4. OctoberRust

    OctoberRust Anti-Federalist

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    Was she incapped the time of the shooting though?

    And are you certain a slightly bigger bullet would have changed things? Wasn't there a kid that took a speer gun to the head with little damage (relatively speaking) to his brain, and is expected to make an almost full recovery?....
     
  5. Gertz

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    I just don't like hollow points, and I really just started this thread looking for some ammo. I don't want to go into it that much. I like my 9mm FMJ. I'd prefer, however, a Winchester Model 70 in a 30-06. Something like that I'd switch to a flat nose or soft point but I just don't like hollow points.

    To each his own
     
  6. Gertz

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    Did some more reading on her. That's crazy how well she is doing after that kind of wound. That guy did kill a lot of other people though, including a 9 year old girl. I don't really like using this incident to judge the effectiveness of a cartridge. It's kinda ****ed up.

    R.I.P. Christina Green
     
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  7. Zombie Steve

    Zombie Steve Decap Pin Killa

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    Well, you're not going to get a fast projectile without using a slower burning powder. No free lunch, amigo.

    As far as recoil, it totally depends on the load. I use some fast powder / heavy for caliber bullet combos that recoil fairly light - seems to be the popular combo in gun games. I also have tried Unique and WSF side by side and found the WSF load to be much smoother. :dunno:
     
  8. Foxtrotx1

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    There is nothing wrong with taking a positive out of a terrible event.

    Like the medical knowledge we gained from the Nazis experiments in ww2. It would be a waste and shame if we didn't use it for good.
     
  9. Foxtrotx1

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    Well your distaste in hollow points could get someone hurt. A 9mm fmj is going a long way on a miss.
     
  10. fredj338

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    This is kind of a BS though. Whether the bullet tumbles or not is in the design, not the vel. So all a faster FMJ gets you is it leaves the target sooner. Not much point in FMJ IMO, just poking less than caliber holes, UNLESS it hits bone or tumbles & there is just no guarantee either will happen. BTW, if the bullet does tumble, penetration is reduced drastically in any caliber. Damage goes up, but penetration goes down.:dunno:
    Reality, most RNFMJ will veer or deflect & not tumble & that comes at the end as the bullet slows. That loss of straight line penetration could mean a miss on vitals instead of a hit. The Gifford shooting is such an anectdotal event. A properly built JHP will straight line penetrate & cause a much larger perm wound channel leading to faster incapacitation. Think about it, one reason FMJ is banned for hunting in almost all states & is only prefered in Africa for thick skinned, large boned DG.
    Yes, to each his own, but for most of us, FMJ is a handicap & you are already handicapped having to use a handgun for SD. Why make it worse, especially since your thought about penetration & tumbling are really counter to each other.
     
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  11. Foxtrotx1

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    Listen to Fred, hes a very informed member here.

    Worst case: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA7f69skz9g"]Federal Guard Dog 9mm 105 gr EFMJ AMMO TEST - YouTube[/ame]
     
  12. Gertz

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    This is getting too heated for me!! EJECT!! EJECT!!! EJECT!!!!

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  13. Why not just go with a FMJ .357 Sig or a FMJ .38 super?

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