9mm +P+ FMJ

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by Gertz, Jul 8, 2012.


  1. Gertz

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    I have been looking for a 9mm +P+ FMJ cartridge. The only thing I have found on the market is the Winchester Ranger +P NATO. Anyone have anything for/against that cartridge? Or know of any other increased pressure FMJ cartridges?

    *Please no Hollow-Points*

    Thanks for any information
     

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  2. Federal used to load a 124 truncated cone looking FMJ +p+, don't know if they still do. I think buffalo bore loads a hot FMJ as well.
     

  3. Gertz

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    Yes, it was the Federal XM9MP 9mm 124 gr. FMJ-SWC.

    Supposed to be good for 1,280 fps and about a yard of penetration.
     
  5. Try the following !

    www.underwoodammo.com
    www.buffalobore.com

    If anyone will have it they may.





     
  6. Gertz

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    I like the underwood ammo. I don't really like HP ammunition though. I like FMJ with a 9mm so I keep my tumble effect/penetration.
     
    #6 Gertz, Jul 8, 2012
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  7. Tumble effect?

    Even if that short of a round were to yaw I don't see it making a huge wound with FMJ. Seems like a deep penetrating JHP would be a better choice if you want to increase the possibility of incapacitation.

    Not trying to be a jerk, just curious about your thoughts on this.
     
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  8. Gertz

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    well from the tests I've done and others have done I know it does tumble with a fmj bullet. I like having that while still keeping high penetration.

    and no it's not huge, but I it does help, and if you place the shot right it doesn't really matter.

    That's also the reason I'm looking for a high pressured round. Not only more energy but increased speed also increases the chance to tumble.
     
    #8 Gertz, Jul 8, 2012
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  9. Cool, to each his own.

    I agree with you on velocity, I totally love a hot round for SD (some don't think it matters at all and base their selection more on the bullet performance in the factory load, just a difference of opinion).

    My ideal for a SD load is a JHP bullet that will hold together at the highest velocity I can find and still penetrate deep. Right now I have my eye on Underwood's 357 sig GD JHP load at 1,450 fps. I intend to buy a box of it on Monday and test it through wet newsprint (wish I could do it with gelatin) to see how the GD bullet handles the higher velocity.

    With higher velocity in a JHP round you can actually lose penetration, so I feel the GD with a higher velocity should be tested.
     
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  10. Gertz

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    Why don't you just make some? I watched a video yesterday and all the guy did was mix a couple packets of geletin in water and pour it into a mold. Looks pretty simple.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3BhHb7P0hk"]"How To Make" Perfect Ballistics Gel - YouTube[/ame]
     
    #10 Gertz, Jul 8, 2012
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  11. My problem is more related to the transport of the gelatin to a place suitable to shoot it. To go to an area where I am free to shoot something like a block of gelatin requires a 60 minute drive into the desert in July. Without a cooler large enough to transport it I am afraid I'll have one heck of a mess when I get there.

    I guess coolers aren't too expensive, if my wife will go for it:whistling:

    Whatever I do I want to document it for GT. I have learned a lot from this site and if I can contribute to it I would be thrilled.

    Off to bed, had just a little too many tonight and stayed up a little too late:faint:
     
  12. Gertz

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    have you ever heard the phrase "close enough"?
     

  13. Yes, but only uttered by drunk sailors at 2AM when eyeballing a fat chick. :supergrin:
     
  14. Gertz

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    ROFL there has to be a story behind that one. I'm not sure I want to hear it though ROFL
     
  15. A tumbling is only significant if the bullet actually has some length to it so it can create drag and score a wide wound channel. A 9mm 124 is practically almost as aerodynamic sideways as it is front on.
     
  16. Merkavaboy

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    If you want an increased pressure 9mm load try finding some Hirtenberger L7A1 124FMJ ammo. This is definately a high, but not overpressure, loading from 1990/91. I've shot 50 rnds of this ammo out of my G19 with no signs of overpressure and it chrono'ed at 1279fps for a 5-shot avg.
     
  17. Before choosing 9mm FMJ, you should consider that Rep. Giffords is still alive partially due to their lack of lethality.
     
  18. Gertz

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    Who is that? And anything can be non-lethal if you dont hit something vital.
     
  19. Gertz

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    hmm....never mind lol but is she really alive? Technically maybe. That's pretty ****ed up though.
     
    #20 Gertz, Jul 8, 2012
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