Ok, well, I'm thinking of switching to 9mm for EDC. I shoot the 40 just fine. No issues at all with that. I use a G23 for EDC, and am thinking about giving my Gen 2 G17 a whirl. IMO there is really no difference between a hot +P 9 mil load and a good 40 load when it comes to performance. Federal lists their HST 124 +P (P9HST3) at 1200 fps. On their poster they list velocity from a G17 at ~1250fps. Do many of you guys get that type of velocity from this round? The next candidate is the venerable 9BPLE. That load is a proven performer by IL SP. I don't think it would be a bad choice at all. The next choice is RA9TA, or Ranger T 124 +P+. Hot load, good performance. Next up is Ranger Bonded/PDX1 124 +p. Seems to be a good load. My 165's in 40 performed very nicely in my own tests. Out of those, I've searched for info on all of them both on here and on the net. I'm looking for experiences with these. Chrono, pen, exp, etc... Now you might be asking why would I switch to a G17 from a G23. Well the real answer is I really like the Gen2 frame. Just feels so good. However, more than that is ammo price. Not SD ammo, but range ammo. I like to shoot. Forty rounds are $14 a box vs $10 for 9mm. For the cost of 2 boxes of 40 I can buy 3 boxes of 9 mil for a couple more bucks. Shoot Federal Champion, and then throw a box of Winchester NATO FMJ in there to duplicate my SD load and I'm good to go. As for carry, I'm going to go with a Nick Mathew's #1. Good holster, should work nicely. But this thread is about the 9 mil round, not EDC. Fire Away Guys!!!!