close

Privacy guaranteed - Your email is not shared with anyone.

Welcome to Glock Talk

Why should YOU join our Glock forum?

  • Converse with other Glock Enthusiasts
  • Learn about the latest hunting products
  • Becoming a member is FREE and EASY

If you consider yourself a beginner or an avid shooter, the Glock Talk community is your place to discuss self defense, concealed carry, reloading, target shooting, and all things Glock.

9mm Lugar with 5.1gr Unique

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by rookie1, Oct 27, 2011.

  1. rookie1

    rookie1

    742
    0
    Mar 3, 2009
    Iowa
    I just started reloading after buying the Lee Anniversary kit that comes with almost everything you need. The scale that comes with it is a bit sketchy. I zeroed it out and then loaded up 5.1gr of Unique. I am using 115gr jacketed round nose bullets. After measuring this out I load it into the case and it is about 3/4 way full or a little more. Is this right?. I dont have anyone close buy who reloads to borrow their scale and the closest store that sells scales is 25 min away and I would have spend $45. Can someone confirm is that is right or attach a picture of a 9mm case with 5.1gr of Unique powder. I can get a photo also if need be.
     
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2011
  2. Colorado4Wheel

    Colorado4Wheel

    14,949
    173
    Nov 2, 2006
    CO
    If you don't know how to use that scale then you need to get a real scale. That scale sucks. Get a Dillon Eliminator from Dillon. $55. You might find something cheaper, but it will be a compromise and you will wish you spent the extra $10. A picture won't help. Your measuring to .1gr. Pictures won't show us anything.
     


  3. I know 6.0 grains fills the case. Your observations seem correct. But I have a Lee scale and check it with a small electronic.

    Really need to order a Dillon I suppose.
     
  4. XDRoX

    XDRoX

    6,450
    2,255
    Jan 24, 2009
    San Diego
    The Lee scale is crappy and a hassle to use and read, but IME it does work.
    Here's a picture of 5.1gr of Unique in a 9mm Norma case if it helps. I'd say you're GTG.

    [​IMG]
     
  5. rookie1

    rookie1

    742
    0
    Mar 3, 2009
    Iowa
    Thats what it looks like. When you zero the scale it is stupid because it goes farther to the right and you have to find the 0. The case just seemed real full, but looks exactly like the picture above. Thanks for everyones input.
     
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2011
  6. XDRoX

    XDRoX

    6,450
    2,255
    Jan 24, 2009
    San Diego
    I don't think you could even get enough Unique in a 9mm case to blow up a gun.
     
  7. Colorado4Wheel

    Colorado4Wheel

    14,949
    173
    Nov 2, 2006
    CO
    If you don't trust your scale then what good is it?
     
  8. PCJim

    PCJim Senior Member

    2,950
    1
    Aug 4, 2008
    FL
    Rookie, I'm not familiar with that scale, but... Most beam scales use a leveling foot on the pointer end, and also may have some balancing weights in/under the pan holder. You might want to recheck the directions for the scale on proper zeroing. You shouldn't have to "find the 0" as you've described.

    For what its worth, I have added as much as a 1/2" square piece of paper under the pan on my 5-0-5 to get a good level zero, depending upon the location where I'm doing load development.
     
  9. AF-Odin

    AF-Odin

    404
    14
    Oct 12, 2007
    Central Texas
    Rookie1,

    5.2gr of Unique behind either a 115gr FMJ or 115gr FMJ-FP is my normal load for target/plinking/even match. That load fills the case 3/4 to a little more full, is easy to see that there is powder as the round cycles through the Dillon 550, and will completely overflow if for some reason you double charge. I use an old RCBS balance beam scale (don't remember the model number as it is over 30 years old) when I am working up the measurement, but use a cheap electronic scale from Midway as my check during reloading--check scale fluctuates about .1 grain from round to round, but that is acceptable--I check loads by weight about every 100 rounds, but like the ability to SEE the powder at the 3/4 full point on each round.

    Sounds like you are good to go, but a good scale is imperative to good/safe reloading.
     
  10. fredj338

    fredj338

    21,965
    1,067
    Dec 22, 2004
    so.cal.
    You are probably right. I have used pretty well compressed loads of Unique in 9mm to get into +P range. There isn't much room in the tiny 9mm case & Unique is pertty bulky. To the OP, if it looks scary, switch to WSF. Almost identical performance but it's a spherical instead of flake so it has about 30% less vol per charge wt.
     
  11. rpgman

    rpgman SCGLOCK

    1,158
    0
    Jul 27, 2011
    Florence

    I have this scale that comes in the Lyman kit I purchased, if you want to buy it from me:

    http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/scales-measures/1000-XP.php

    I use the RCBS 1500 Chargemaster to load, which I love.

    Greg

    oops sorry wrong message to reply too.
     
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2011
  12. rpgman

    rpgman SCGLOCK

    1,158
    0
    Jul 27, 2011
    Florence

    I have this scale that comes in the Lyman kit I purchased, if you want to buy it from me:

    http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/s...es/1000-XP.php

    I use the RCBS 1500 Chargemaster to load, which I love.

    Greg <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
     
  13. F106 Fan

    F106 Fan

    8,033
    268
    Oct 19, 2011
    I have the old RCBS beam scale from way back but I use my Dillon Eliminator for everything. I also have the RCBS calibration weights:

    http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/Bro...9937&categoryString=9315***731***9211***19935***

    If I had any question about the powder charge, I would be VERY worried. For some powders, the difference between a minimum and maximum charge is about 0.4 gr. I prefer to stay away from maximum loads and above minimum loads so if, for example, the minimum is 4.2 gr and the maximum is 4.6 gr, I like to stay at 4.4 gr. That doesn't leave much room for measurement error.

    Bottom line: at least get some check weights and try to get one of the digital scales as soon as possible. Not that the RCBS beam scale doesn't work. It works very well. It's just not very handy.

    Richard
     
  14. fredj338

    fredj338

    21,965
    1,067
    Dec 22, 2004
    so.cal.
    Digital scales, particularly cheap ones, are not all that accurate. A good beam scale is as accurate as a good digital, just slower to use. IMO, there are few good dig scales under $100.:dunno: I have the Dillon, great rpoduct, but I also have a RCBS beam scale. The Dillon beam is quite good, same as the more expensive RCBS model.
     
  15. F106 Fan

    F106 Fan

    8,033
    268
    Oct 19, 2011

    I messed up when I said Dillon Eliminator - that is a beam scale.

    I actually use the Dillon D-Terminator - a $140 digital scale. I have checked it with the RCBS calibration weights and with the provided weight. It all checks out fine.

    http://www.dillonprecision.com/#/content/p/9/pid/25213/catid/7/D_Terminator_Electronic_Scale

    There's nothing wrong with a decent beam scale. I used one for many years before I broke down and bought the D-Terminator and it is still sitting on the bench.

    Richard
     
  16. Disregarded9-side

    Disregarded9-side Armchair IPSCer

    1,008
    0
    Oct 18, 2008
    North Carolina
    I use the same set up and have loaded thousands of 115-121gr 9mm with Unique charges weighing from 4.2-5.6grains.

    You're fine. Good luck.

    E: Unique meters very poorly, and the Lee measure that comes with that kit doesn't like it. That said, it works just fine.
     
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2011
  17. Last edited: Oct 27, 2011
  18. rpgman

    rpgman SCGLOCK

    1,158
    0
    Jul 27, 2011
    Florence
  19. WiskyT

    WiskyT Malcontent

    11,682
    1
    Jun 12, 2002
    North Carolina
    Holy carp! The guy is new to reloading and a little unsure of the process and "the Lee scale is crap and can't be trusted"! Way to go guys:rolleyes:

    OP, the Lee scale is fine. It is cumbersome but highly accurate. It's good that you asked on here about something you were unsure of, but take the answers with a grain of salt as people will have you spending a fortune on stuff that yet others will still decry as "crap". I load 6.0 Unique with a 125 JHP and if you want to know what that looks like, it looks just like your powder charge except the case is 20% more full.
     
  20. Colorado4Wheel

    Colorado4Wheel

    14,949
    173
    Nov 2, 2006
    CO
    Your missing the point. If HE doesn't know how to use it and isn't able to get repeatable results he should not be reloading with it. TO ME, it's crazy to move forward with a scale you don't trust. Even crazier to look at a picture and decide your load is OK. I know it's unique and it's bulky. I just couldn't do that and would never recommend anyone do that.

    I don't know what "Sketchy" means but I know it was a PITA to get repeatable results easily with my lee scale.