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9mm defense loads everybody talks about

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by remat, Jan 13, 2010.

  1. remat


    Mar 19, 2006
    Seattle, WA
    I am always reading about the current generation of 9mm ammo (Ranger T, HST, etc) but I can never find any. Where are you guys getting it? (I know, I know...ammo shortages, lea demand, company policies, etc)...
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2010
  2. unit1069


    Oct 10, 2007
    So. Central US
    Try, an online source. There are many online outlets but I have actual experience with ATG and if the site says "in stock" it has been when I've ordered. Some other outlets advertise ammo but buyers can wait months after having their credit cards charged.

    Other GT members will be along with advice and anecdotes about their experiences. If you shoot a lot of premium ammo I suggest buying a sufficient supply all at one time, whatever the source.

  3. MarcusT


    Jan 1, 2010
    Oviedo, FL
    The only place I have found HST in 9mm is on so i just got some Winchester Ranger at the local gun store. I really have doubts about how big of a difference there will be if you have to shoot somebody with any of the high quality defense ammo.
  4. aujrb


    Jun 23, 2009
    East Alabama
  5. G26Okie


    Apr 22, 2009
    Weston, FL
  6. remat


    Mar 19, 2006
    Seattle, WA
    Not saying that other loads are bad (I am a big fan of DoubleTap, Hornady XTP/TAP, Speer GoldDot) but wanted to try some of the new crop that people seem to be so fond of promoting (especially RangerT and HST). Was wondering how people are actually getting it with the ammo companies being restrictive. hmm...
    Last edited: Jan 14, 2010
  7. jdm0506


    Feb 3, 2009
    I picked up a couple boxes of 147gr HST (about $18/50) last week from GT Dist here in Austin. Also picked up a box of 124gr +P gold dots a couple weeks before that (~$22/50).
  8. Availability seems to run in cycles. The key is to buy by the case when you do see it. I was able to get cases of HST earlier this year when there were no Ranger Ts to be found. Lately, Rangers are available and there's no HST. I bought a lot of Ranger in Nov-Dec.
  9. Bruce M

    Bruce M

    Jan 3, 2010
    S FL
    I ordered from the middle of last week and it was here on Monday. I would/will do business with them again. I have also had good luck with Georgia Arms
  10. $40/box? You must have wanted it awfully bad.
  11. Mwinter

    Mwinter I'm MilkMan Dan

    Oct 26, 2001
    CorBon DPX and Speer Gold Dot are sold commercially, and perform well in LE-based testing.
  12. ricklee4570


    Sep 11, 2009
    Federal 9BPLE has garnered a really good reputation over the years. I have not heard of any catastrophic failures when using this round. Thats goes for the standard pressure 9BP as well.
  13. fastbolt


    Jun 9, 2002
    CA Central Coast
    While I've often had relatively easy access to the T-series loads in the major calibers because of it being periodically issued, I've not lost any sleep over using something else.

    Remington's Golden Sabre and Speer's Gold Dot lines are available in the way of standard commercial fare, you know.

    I stopped being interested some time ago in trying to find ways to go around company sales & marketing policies, and then maybe having to pay exorbitant prices for small quantities of some 'high interest' load or another.

    Once you start focusing on a lot of training/practice and skills development/maintenance, it's surprising how the marketing and internet hype surrounding different ammunition can seem to fade and take on less significance. I remember standing in a cop shop and looking at the stacks of Winchester Ranger boxes on display (to LE customers only) at various times. The supply was good and the pricing to individual officers, while not as low as that offered to agencies on letterhead, was still reasonably low ($12.95/50-rd box of RA9TA 127gr +P+, for example, which was later raised a couple of bucks).

    I eventually picked up a few boxes over the course of a couple of visits to the shop for other equipment, to replace some I'd been shooting up for practice since we'd stopped issuing it, but I walked away from the ammunition display without buying any over the course of many more visits. I wouldn't pay twice as much (or more) for that ammunition. I'd buy something more affordable and more available in the Remington or Speer lines, first, and spend more attention on actually shooting for training/practice.
  14. Cobra64

    Cobra64 Deals in Facts

    I prefer Fiocchi and Speer lawman for range ammo, and Speer 124 gr. +P GDHP for SD.

  15. JBP55


    Mar 4, 2007
    You must search and be patient. My last cases of Ranger T was delivered in 10 months and my last cases of HST were delivered in 6 months. They were both on back order when I ordered.
  16. unit1069


    Oct 10, 2007
    So. Central US
    Cobra, I admire your ammo collection as much as those fine pistols you have!
  17. Cobra64

    Cobra64 Deals in Facts

    Thanks! When shortages began and prices began escalating in November '08, I decided to get into reloading and now don't have to buy ammo. :)
  18. unit1069


    Oct 10, 2007
    So. Central US
    And it looks like you'll never have to buy brass for your reloads.

    I've been telling myself I'm going to learn to reload but am hesitant to invest a lot of money without any guidance. Did you learn just by reading up or did someone walk you through it before you bought your equipment?
  19. Cobra64

    Cobra64 Deals in Facts

    I read two loading manuals and taught myself.

    Conceptually, all you do is jam a primer in the case, toss in some powder, and push a bullet on the other end. :rofl:

    If you decide to get into it, buy the best press you can afforf, otherwise you'll end up getting it anyway down the road, and then you're out the money you paid trying to go cheap.

    There are a lot of excellent threads over in the "Reloading" forum here on GT. I went with a Hornady LnL for a variety of reasons, but you can read about the Red vs. Blue arguments for days.

    If nothing else, start collecting brass; because you may decide to "bite the bullet" and get into reloading. :supergrin:

    Good luck!
  20. BOGE

    BOGE Millennium Member

    Mar 21, 1999
    And NASCAR is simply driving around in circles, right? It´s a little more complicated than that, Cobra. :supergrin: