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9mm Come Back

Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by Yankee2718, Jan 2, 2012.

  1. Yankee2718

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    Has anyone noticed any LE agencies coming back to 9x19mm? I am issued a G22/27 and seems that every agency around me uses .40 with one or two using .45.
     
  2. carbuncle

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    I'm pretty sure all the agencies in Western WA have switched to .40 since the 90s. Bellevue PD may have been the last holdout (they used to allow a mishmash of duty weapons, from what I've seen traded in over the years), but they standardized finally.
     


  3. I believe the Saint Paul Police Department has gone back to the 9mm for its new guns, on the grounds that the ammunition available today is better than the stuff that was available when they first used 9mm in the early 90s, and also that they can get more ammo for the same price.
     
  4. Chonny

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    I asked an OKC police officer if he had a .40 and he shook his head and said 9. One example. I bet there are others everywhere making this switch.
     
  5. DonGlock26

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    If companies like S&W are willing to swap 9mm new pistols for .40 trade-ins, agencies could save some money on training ammo costs. If the economy continues to suck, I can see this happening more and more. .40S&W has it's downsides- greater recoil being the main one. The fact that Glock .40's are having jamming problems with tac lights really stated this trend of switching to back to 9mm. I think we will see tac light/ video cameras on LE pistols soon. I already have one on my taser and it works well.

    Civilians are moving back to 9mm for cost alone. Modern 9mm defensive ammunition is also being judged as being excellent for SD.

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  6. WiskyT

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    9mm ammo is no cheaper in LE sales. Often, albiet a small amount, 40 ammo is cheaper than 9mm.
     
  7. HKLovingIT

    HKLovingIT Resident Evil

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    Chicago and NYPD still use 9mm, among many other departments. I have no idea if some have switched back to it from .40, I'm sure there are some, but there seems to be a number of large urban departments that still authorize and use 9mm.
     
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  8. mrsurfboard

    mrsurfboard The Anti-Glock

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    New Jersey State Police still uses 9mm.
     
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  9. WiskyT

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    Yes, there still some dept that stayed with the 9mm. That is not a "comeback". An agency here and there going back to it isn't a comeback either. The Troopers were not happy about staying with 9mm, not the ones I talked to. I don't know of any depts where I worked switching back to 9mm.

    When given the choice, like LAPD, cops opt for bigger calibers.
     

  10. I know 9mm is cheaper but most leo agencies that I know of do carry the .40 and the most popular weapon seems to be the G22 and the Sig 229 in .40 from what I see. Hopefully they don't go back but some of the really large departments may go back because of the budget constraints.
     
  11. WiskyT

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    It's not cheaper. If you navigate through the link you will see that the red, bold type, figure is the price paid under this contract.

    http://www.dms.myflorida.com/index....wmen and Shooters Price Sheet_Add1_013107.xls

    Remington 29440 Premier® Golden Saber® High Performance Centerfire Pistol & Revolver 40 S&W, 165 Gr, Brass Jacketed Hollow Point, M.V. 1150 ± 50 Ft/Sec GS40SWA $160.00 71.20% $216.68 500 $555.60 61%


    Remington 29350 Premier® Golden Saber® Bonded High Performance Centerfire Pistol & Revolver 9MM Luger +P, 124 Gr, Brass Jacketed Hollow Point Bonded, M.V. 1180 ± 50 Ft/Sec GSB9MMD $211.29 61.75% $248.58 500 $552.40 55%
     
  12. WiskyT

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    Okay, I missed the fact that the 9mm sighted above is "bonded" and therefore more expensive. This is a better example, bonded 40. The price is basically the same:

    Remington 29366 Premier® Golden Saber® Bonded High Performance Centerfire Pistol & Revolver 40 S&W, 165 Gr, Brass Jacketed Hollow Point Bonded, M.V. 1150 ± 50 Ft/Sec GSB40SWA $186.91 70.75% $249.21 500 $639.00 61%
     
  13. Orive 8

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    Agency I worked for in WA state issued SIG 9s and .45s, Officer's choice - never did jump on the .40 bandwagon.
     
  14. Foxtrotx1

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    The 9mm is also +P and adds to price slightly if I'm not mistaken.
     
  15. WiskyT

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    It doesn't. They are the same price. If you look through enough contracts, you will see that they are consistently the same price. By same, I mean within a few dollars of each other.
     
  16. Yankee2718

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    I think the main reason that cops opt for bigger calibers because many don't know the first thing about ballistics or terminal performance. Most aren't even shooters. Look at the taser syndrome. Most cops believe the BS propaganda fed to them by department training staffs about how the guns and ammo they use are the best around. A lot of guys would take the biggest caliber they could.


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  17. WiskyT

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    There is a lot of that.
     
  18. LawScholar

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    Modern 9x19 is much, much better in flesh than it used to be, putting it in parity with the .40. For barrier penetration, though, a lot of 9x19 hollowpoints still fall short. I think police will remain with .40 for the foreseeable future due to .40's continued somewhat better performance with barriers like auto glass and car doors.

    I think departments are served well with 9x19, .40, and .45 for different reasons. It doesn't much matter which one they choose at the end of the day so long as they can shoot it well. My brother is a LEO issued .40 and his department's officers get great results in training with the Gen 3 Glock 22 .40 - with excellent accuracy and speed even in double-taps. A department's caliber selection, at the end of the day, should revolve around how that department's officers shoot, and what they shoot best.
     
  19. chrisf608

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