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870 unloading question

Discussion in 'Tactical Shotguns' started by southernshooter, Dec 29, 2009.

  1. Probably the most common way is to cycle all the shells from the mag to the chamber, then eject them out (with the safety on) I have experimented with opening the action to drop a shell out of the mag tube, then just letting it fall out of the ejection port without chambering it. Another way is to press on the side under the mag tube with the carrier pushed in-this does not seem to work very well for me. My beretta 390 is easy to unload the mag tube this way. What is your proferred method?
     
  2. Jon_R

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    I just make sure my finger is off the trigger hold down the bolt release and cycle the action. I have lots of different pump shotguns and that method works for all of them.
     


  3. Faulkner

    Faulkner Patriot Millennium Member

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    Racking them through the chamber is an unnecessary method of unloading an 870. 870's are very easy to unload the magazine just by pushing the leaf spring at the rear of the mag well and letting the rounds fall into your hand one at a time, then open the chamber and let the loaded round fall out.

    As a LE firearms instructor I would remove anyone from our range who unloaded a 870 or Mossburg by racking them through the chamber.
     
  4. Jon_R

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    I am taking a shotgun class in March maybe we will cover that.

    In our 3-Gun Competitions everyone unloads via the chamber. I am not sure I follow why it is a problem but whatever the range rules are I would follow them. :)
     
  5. jmb79

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    This is the correct way. I have taken shotgun classes from numerous prominent instructors/schools and this method is what each of them uses for unloading a Remington 870 (other than unloading via the business end of the barrel).
     
  6. aippi

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    With the safety on and the weapon pionted down range, Rack it back slow and roll the round from the chamber into your hand. Leaving the bolt back Push the carrier up. Press the right shell latch and it releases the shell, continue till empty. this is the safe way.

    I think that is what the guys above ment but I thought I would post it with the correct names for the parts involved.
     
  7. byf43

    byf43 NRA Life Member

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    To expound on what Bill just said. . . . .

    A friend of mine (May he Rest In Peace) that was a LEO, was hunting with his beloved 870.
    Well, he emptied the shotgun by racking the slide, chambering each round and dumping them into his hunting jacket, laying on the ground.

    He visually inspected the chamber and then put the shotgun into the case.

    When he got home, he took this 870 out of the case, racked the slide one more time. He then pointed the shotgun at the side wall where he had some 1 gallon paint cans stored.
    He pulled the trigger.

    BOOM!!!!!

    The follower had stuck with a shell, quite a ways up, inside the magazine tube and was dislodged (apparently) on the trip home, in the trunk of that old Malibu.

    Moral to the story. . . .
    1. Unload your shotgun properly.
    2. Check, then double-check that firearm is empty.
    3. Verify with eyes and fingers.
    (If my friend had checked to see that the follower was not against the shell stop, he wouldn't have painted his wife's car a light pink and ceiling white!!!!!!!
     
  8. AKJD

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    I'll add that if you had one in the chamber and rounds in the magazine, you also need to remove from the ejection port the round that is on the carrier in addition to the round that was in the chamber. Pulling back on the forearm loads a round on to the carrier after extracting the one that was in the chamber. Always, always, always remember to remove 2 rounds from the ejection port, then unload the magazine with the forearm to the rear. Then visually and/or manually check the chamber and magazine for any rounds.

    If you go to a professional LE type class and unload by racking them through the chamber you will not make a good impression.
     
  9. My method is some what similar except that I push the carrier up while opening the action to get the first round out without it getting on the carrier.
     
  10. Jon_R

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    I look forward to my CQB Shotgun class. I am not sure if I will shoot the 590 or 870 but 300 rounds in a one day class should be exciting and tiring. Hopefully they will cover this.
     
  11. guitarguy69

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    So,.... instead of showing them a better way you just dismiss them. Sounds like bad teaching to me. If I was shown a better way to do something I would appreciate it. I bet most people would also. I thank you for showing me a better way though. Thank you Faulkner!
     
  12. aippi

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    As the range instuctor it would be Faulkners call to put an officer off the range. As it was mine when I was doing that job. These are not newbies, these are officers that we re-certify and they know better then to pull that mess. They know how to unload any weapon they carry safely, However, they get lazy and do dumb stuff out there on duty and when they step on to the range that we are responsible for they are going to do it safely or get kicked off.

    They can then explain to their shift commander why they did not re-certify. Of course they come back to the range in another session and they don't pull that careless mess again.

    This is serious stuff and anyone who has ever done this for a living has had a lot of loaded weapons pointed at them by so called "Veteran" Officers. Some of them are a Range Instructors worse nightmare because they all think they have been there done that and don't have to listen to the guy giving the safety instructions.

    The best class I ever instucted was a group of Police Explorers. Those kids listen and hung on every word. No a single issue with them the entire day.

    Not so when you are re-certifing line officers in most any department. If you get careless and think for one minute that just because these are LEO's you can easy up, you will pay for that mistake.
     
  13. While that may be the most common way, it is not the correct way. Aippi got it right. Clear the chamber, raise the carrier, hit the shell latch. Put me down as another range officer who DQ'd the shooter who emptied a mag by racking the shells through the chamber.
     
  14. I just tried that again. Sometimes the shell drops out of the tube but more often it only drops about 1/8" out and stops-yes the lift bar is pushed all the way down. The gun functions 100% in use. My Beretta 390 will drop shells out of the tube every time this way.
     
  15. if you are doing it right and the shells are not being pushed out of the magazine with gusto...you may need a new spring, the magazine tube may need to be cleaned/polished or your magazine follower may be damaged or hanging up...all easy and/or cheap fixes... www.aiptactical.com has the info to help with this and is really worth a read...lots of information on that site...
    Bill
     
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  17. aippi

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    I assume you mean the carrier when you are saying lift bar???? If you rack the weapon back the bolt is out of the way and the carrier pushes completly out of the way, so I don't understand the issue you are having.
     
  18. BHP9

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    This is the reason for coloured followers.

    I prefer Lime Green. YMMV.
     
  19. Faulkner

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    As aippi noted, by the time the deputies get to the range with me they should already know better. If you were shown a proper way to do it and didn't, you would be removed from the line (for remedial instruction, I should have added eariler, my bad). We don't apologize for running a strict range.

    A little off topic, but something that has stuck with me for years. While doing a detail review of the infamous 1986 FBI Miami Shootout, It's been noted that one of the FBI agents who was killed had a handful of spent .38 brass in his pocket where he had dumped them after a reload. Where did he learn this bad habit . . . at the range. He may have been a reloader or maybe he just didn't like policing brass after a range session, who knows, but how you train is how you will perform when the adrenalin is flowing. Did stuffing the empties into his pocket get this agent killed, we'll never know, but in a situation where every second counts I wouldn't want one of my trainees fumbling around with some bad habit they learned at the range.