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870 Suggestions

Discussion in 'Tactical Shotguns' started by daddysnapmuffins, Dec 17, 2011.

  1. daddysnapmuffins

    daddysnapmuffins

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    Hey guys, I'm not a big shotgun guy and am looking at buying my first. I'm pretty sure I'm going with a variant of the Remington 870. The 870 Express Tactical A-Tac caught my eye found here: http://www.remington.com/products/f...0/model-870-express-tactical-a-tacs-camo.aspx

    I like the pistol grip, synthetic furniture, and camo. I have a few questions:

    -What makes this shotgun nearly twice the price of a regular 870 tac or express model? Is it worth it in your opinion (subjective I know)?

    -Is the listed MSRP listed on Remington's website the same, more, or less than you can find at retailers online?

    -The few places I checked online were out of stock. Where's a good place to get one (potentially) at a good price?

    Thank you.

    Also, at this price it would be worth while to look at Benelli's.
     
    Last edited: Dec 17, 2011
  2. aippi

    aippi

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    You are paying for a bunch of mess on that weapon that has nothing to do with the function of weapon. Camo? I have tactical and hunting weapons and none have cammo on them. Useless mess and not worth the money.

    Those peep sights have no place on a fighting shotgun and will shut down your peripheral vision and that could be deadly in a fight. So you are paying for some tacti-fool mess that can get you hurt.

    That barrel is theaded and therefor not what you want for slugs and heavy shot. The Extentend tactical choke, or as we call it, the extended tactical Joke, is cyl bore and will produce horrible patterns. Slugs wobble out the barrel of that mess.

    The entire model is a "Tacti-fool" joke of a weapon and an embarassment to the Remington line of shotguns.

    Yes, the MSRP of all weapons are bloated on all Manufactures web site to make the retailers look like they are giving you some kind of great deal.
     

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  3. I'll take the liberty of quoting J D from a recent thread: "Get that mess off of there".

    Find a nice used 7-shot 870P with a bead sight, unless you plan to shoot slugs at long distances. Do a search on Gunbroker for '870 Police'.
     
  4. Also, think for a moment about how well that contraption would go over in court if, Heaven forbid, you ever have to use it in self defense.
     
  5. sharpshooter

    sharpshooter Member Millennium Member

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    Ghost ring sights only slow you down if you're slow. You don't "have" to take your time to peep thru them and then exhale half way then check the breeze before you shoot. For goodness sakes, in the house we're talking about 5-10 yards max for most homes. It's almost point shooting, a front bead just makes it an "educated" point shot. You ought to be able to point shoot a humanoid sized target from those distances with only a little practice, it's pretty easy. You can always ignore the rear ghost ring and still use the big front post just like using a bead. You should be shooting with both eyes open anyways.
     
  6. Hour13

    Hour13 Tah-dah!

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    Look, I'm not a huge shotgun guy either, but I wanted a bedside shotty. I wanted it to be effective, light enough to be comfortable to tote around, and short enough to tuck between the seats in my Mustang.

    [​IMG]

    Remington 870 Express 12ga Magnum, Hogue "Tamer" grip set, Mossberg 18" barrel, Choate mag extension.

    Done. Reliable, effective, and you can put this together for somewhere in the neighborhood of $500. It's a shotgun, why load it down with a bunch of stupid crap? Gun makers LOVE the tacti-cool craze, it's easy money.

    Don't get sucked into the hype.
     
  7. Buffering

    Buffering The Cooler

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    While Hour's gun isn't for me, he does preach the right sermon for the unwashed masses.

    With a shotgun less is more. Pick up any gun magazine and you'll see many things that have a purpose but many that are solutions to non-existent problems or problems you didn't know you ever had.

    Here's what I did and I'm not using the parent voice:

    1. 25 yr old 870P for $275. Sold the furniture for $60 so the gun costs $215.

    2. Bought the Rem 'ute stock with the R3 pad. I can't shoot a standard LOP because I blade. The 13" is perfect for my funky assed body. $50.

    3. Replaced the springs and extractor for about $35 to bring them up to snuff because I didn't know what the PM was.

    4. Purchased a Mesa single point attachment. $19.

    5. Purchased a simple sling for the single point. $25.

    6. Purchased a Vang extension for $75. Probably going to dump it.

    7. Purchased a Mesa 4 shot side saddle. $49.



    That's what I use and I have rust, scratches and sweat on it. I'm sure there's some blood mixed on there too. I'd bet my life on this gun just the way it is. If I can't kill you with the rounds I'll club you to death with it. It's that reliable.

    I purchased a lot of ammo and I'm using it to become more proficient with classes.

    Don't get caught up with the hype of what someone says you need - less is better with a shotgun and after you've shot the p!ss out of it, you'll learn what is necessary for you.
     
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  8. dooga

    dooga New to Glocks

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    My 870 Police Magnum is a perfect thing. Mine has wooden furniture but has the special fit and finish they only offer in the Police model. They go the extra yard.
     
  9. Nestor

    Nestor Lean & Mean

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    You know, after playing a bit with tactical stuff I figure out that this guy:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdW2TAfN3mQ
    is 100% right. The ghost ring sights will slow You down in close quarter and the pistol grip is not all that helpful either. Camo? I don't know what's gonna happen if I will drop my shotgun, but You know...whatever works.
    I'll be building my 870 soon and here is the older Wingmaster on which I'm gonna do this.
    [​IMG]
    Wooden stock or Houge overmolded one (depends which I can get cheaper), standard barrel with the bead sight and I'm good to go.
    Don't spend your hard earned money on useless crap. Good luck.
     
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  10. daddysnapmuffins

    daddysnapmuffins

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    I really appreciate the advice. Like I said I'm pretty new to shotguns and the replies definitely helped a lot. I do like the 870 Express Synthetic 22Highcaps recommended. Where can I find good prices other than G&R? Also, I would appreciate other variant recommendations if you have any.

    Also, I was wondering about the Police version.
     
    Last edited: Dec 18, 2011
  11. Buffering

    Buffering The Cooler

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    Rocking the Casbah
    If you want basic and extremely effective, go to aippi's site. His basic shotguns will be FAR than capable of saving your toosh and those of your loved ones. Not a lot of money for what you get.

    I offer his services as a suggestion if you don't want to shop, buy and upgrade the gun yourself.
     
  12. Buffering

    Buffering The Cooler

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    Rocking the Casbah
    "We're here, we're gearqueers, get over it!'
     
  13. fasteddie565

    fasteddie565 Combat Diver

    Good advice here.

    Start off with a basic shotty and then add the things you find that you need, not what guns and ammo says you must have because the manufacturers advertise in their rag.

    Most importantly, do not buy add-ons until after 100's of rounds of practice call for it.
     
  14. sharpshooter

    sharpshooter Member Millennium Member

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    Nice video, but 2 seconds into the show Clint Smith is shown firing a shotgun with GHOST RING sights. Look, see?
    [​IMG]
     
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  15. Nestor

    Nestor Lean & Mean

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    He has many shotguns, but always advises to go basic for HD and I agree 100%.
     
  16. IBreakStuff

    IBreakStuff

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    Would anybody care to elaborate on why it would be detrimental to use buck and slugs in a threaded barrel as aippi stated.
     
    Last edited: Dec 20, 2011
  17. Buffering

    Buffering The Cooler

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    Rocking the Casbah
    Was is bad for Agustus to fall into the chocolate river in Wiily Wonka? Same difference.
     
    Last edited: Dec 20, 2011
  18. aippi

    aippi

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    Slugs are stablized by the choke and buckshot restricted, thus force is being applied to that stainless steel tube and against the barrel threads.

    Screw a choke tube out and look at the threads. You are looking at the reverse of the threads in the barrel. So, you have a harder stainless steel pulling against softer steel. So over time there is going to be wear and one day that tube goes down range.

    It will not happen in a few year or not even 10 years, no more shooting then most guys do. However, with heavy use it is going to happen. Being an 870 last a life time, why have a barrel that will not? And should you fail to ensure that tube is tight before each range session you may find a very large hole in the target.

    Choke tubes are for small shot, not buck shot and slugs.