Mine cast at 182. But anyways. I have some loaded with 10.5gr of 800 x for hunting that really swing a steel plate. They have a pretty nice flat nose. Anyways. To my question. Anyone work up 800x under 180 gr lead? I am going to load up some to 11 gr and see how they do. At 10.5 there is no smiles. Or other signs of danger. They are super accurate. Just thinking I could get close to another 100 fps by going to 11 gr. Sound about right? Being he meplat is slightly smaller speed counts.