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8.2 autopsies per day vs caliber

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by rustytxrx, Feb 24, 2013.


  1. rustytxrx

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    Man, that goes on forever and it's all over the place.

    Wish I had the time to read something 26,000+ words long (yeah, I pasted it into Word and got a count)- my eyes started to water and go crossed after the first ten paragraphs...phew!
     

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    The last line was the best line in the whole thread.
     
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    Probably because it was written by a poser instead of a educated Professional.
     
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    I like this line,

    "I see an average of 8.2 autopsies per day/365 days per year, and I can tell you that when the chips are down, there's nothing that beats a 12-gauge."
     
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    As my father used to tell me: some people will complain when they're hung with a new rope. Experience is a good teacher, opinion isn't.
     
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    Yep long. His conclusion is 1) shot gun, 2) rifle with velocity of 2600 to 2900 3). Pistol.

    From a pistol a big bullet and good penetration are the key. Same debate we have had page after page. He takes his facts from autopsies table and 1000s of autopsies. He carries a 45 acp and gold dots.....doesnt like 9mm, 380, 32, 25.

    Of course, all the 9mm fans post their protests......disregarding the facts :). It is the usual stuff of caliber debate. Ya believe what you believe and can completely disregard 1000s of autopsies.
     
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    Rusty, before you post these things you might want to dig a little deeper beforehand. This has been trashed as total BS here and on countless other forums before, i.e., it's fake. :wavey:
     
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    TF, thanks for the info and heads up. Should I delete the URL?
     
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    Again, doubling the bullet weight doubles the kinetic energy. So, do you still want to shoot that 125-grain 9mm when you could have a 230-grain .45?

    9mms generally have more KE than .45s.
     
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    Mathematically doubling the bullet weight does double the Energy - provided velocity stays the same. However, most heavier bullets are not moving as fast as their lightweight counterparts. This is the crux of the entire debate, light and fast or slow and heavy. Heavy and fast is the ultimate answer, but generally limited to dangerous big-game rifles and some hunting handguns. Recoil is pretty intense.
     
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    Read stuff by Doctor Gary K. Roberts aka DOCGKR. He gets paid by the feds and military to do this kind of research. There is a whole forum dedicated to terminal ballstics on m4carbine.
     
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    I was always trained that if a handgun is your first weapon of choice then you're already in a precarious situation! A handgun is there to only create space to get to a long gun. For home protection I'll take a 12 or 20 gauge anyday over almost anything else. However, the venerable 5.56mm is certainly an incredible fight stopper too! Once again, if a person cannot hit COM with these proven calibers of firearms then good luck putting someone who has very high combat morale (i.e. wants to put your inaccurate butt 6' under) down for keeps! Give me a 12 gauge with 3 1/2" mag. 00 buck with 5 or 6 shots vs. 8-10 .45acp +p anyday, anytime, anywhere, and on any threat! Hell, give me that over a Glock 20 with Underwood 135's anyday! Well now I'm pushing it I suppose, but a shotty (other than .410) is better than most if not all handguns period.
     
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    For concealed carry within a PUBLIC setting, these two doctrines simply become ... Inapplicable.
     
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    He's a..................................dentist. :upeyes:
     
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    Well when we need to shoot someone's teeth out I guess we should call him.
     
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    And yet there is no direct proof that the "morgue" thread is fake, other than people's desire to not believe it (most likely 9mm and .40 owners). Give me direct proof, other than, "so-and-so said it's fake" or "so-and-so forum believes it's fake."
     
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    Did he say all that with one breath? What a long letter. He sure likes handgun calibers that start with a "4." I feel underarmed with a G17 reading his writings. :cool:
     
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    Lighten up, Ruben. :upeyes:

    If he's merely a dentist (it's not the first time you have mis-stated his credentials) and you believe that his opinions in the field of ballistics are worthless, why are you asking Dr. Roberts questions and seeking his advice over on his forum? :dunno:

    http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=32839&page=5

    http://www.m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=1524903&postcount=6

    http://www.m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=1467049&postcount=28

    It's awfully hypocritical to sneer at Dr. Roberts' credentials while you ask for his advice/opinions on his forum, don't you think? :headscratch:

    One wonders how long you'd last over at Dr. Roberts' forum, if he saw such behavior from you over there. Or here. :dunno:
     
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