460 anyone?

Discussion in 'The 21 Club' started by vaquero aleman, Mar 18, 2012.


  1. vaquero aleman

    vaquero aleman "ah-lay-mahn"

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    It would appear that my G21 did not want to leave home. The individual that took ownership had a little mishap at the range and ended up with a cracked frame from a drop. So he offered the pistol to me at half of what he paid. I thought that was very generous so I accepted and decided to, after snooping around the web for repair possibilities, fix it myself.

    I already had some experience with plastic welding on a radiator so I applied my knowdedge and for all "practical" purposes fixed the frame. I used a soldering iron and some black nylon weed wacker line.

    It was split from the end to the serial number plate.
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  2. vaquero aleman

    vaquero aleman "ah-lay-mahn"

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    Going to the range with my son this Saturday. He still has the 2nd gen G20 I gave to him. He's been shooting the 10mm for a while now and he wants to see what it's like to shoot 460 Rowland. I think he's in for an "eye opener", as I still do not have a compensated barrel and he will be feeling 230grain @ 1300fps and 185grain @ 1500fps from a standard length plain barrel, with the Sprinco of course. The Sprinco may stop the slide from impacting the frame but it does little to negate the recoil. Think I might have to take some video of this range trip.
     

  3. vaquero aleman

    vaquero aleman "ah-lay-mahn"

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    The range trip was great, mostly. My son had a lot of fun shooting 460 out of my 21 but, unfortunately, the stalls were too narrow to get any video. Bullseye in Lawrenceville needs some work on thier range, badly. I did find a stock G20 6" barrel there so I bought it to shoot in my 21. I put the glock 20 barrel in the 21 with a 20# wolff assy. and first shot 5 rounds of 40S&W 165gr. I had to cycle the 40S&W by hand but it shot just fine out of the G20 mag and barrel; answered that question. Then I shot some 10mm 180gr GA Arms FMJ out of the G21 with stock G20 barrel and it functioned fine except for the extraction, which I expected trouble with that because I didn't have a file to fix the extractor for 10mm; that question answered. The Glock stock G20 6" barrel fit and functioned just fine in my G21. Except that ammo is getting sold out everywhere now, I will start saving a lot of money shooting 10mm over 45 Super and 460 Rowland. Not at home so pics will follow. I like the black barrel in my silver slide.

    This now means that my G21 can shoot 6 different cartridges plus the 10mm conversion cartridges. 45ACP, 45ACP +P, 45 Super, .460 Rowland, 10mm, 40S&W, 40 Super, 9X25 Dillon and 357 Sig. IMHO the G21 is the most versatile pistol manufactured.
     
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  4. vaquero aleman

    vaquero aleman "ah-lay-mahn"

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    I did not get a new camera for Christmas, apologies.

    G21 with factory 6" G20 barrel:

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    This photo has not been retouched, my camera does not like shiny things:
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  5. Vaquero

    I have really enjoyed your accomplishments regarding the .460 Rowland. I too, was bitten by the bug and a friend that owed me some money was a 1911 guru and built me a superb 1911 in .460 with the Clark kit. The recoil spring is really hard to rack and it's an ominous beast.

    The problem is I was in car wreck and have herniated disc in neck and I can't even shoot the darned thing because last time I shot a .38/.357 I dinged the disc and had big time issues. After neck surgery and healing, I'll be looking forward to a try. I admire the ballistics of the .460 and have a few rounds saved.

    I looked at the Glock 30 conversion, but will have to pass for now. Anyway, I have vicariously enjoyed your mission, thank you amd Merry Christmas.

    Roger also US Army vet, 95B40V5T2 as I recall

    PS, I saw on the Underwood site that some guy shot a whole box of .45 Super from his Springfield XDS..... yikes! pretty gutsy, I'd say.
     
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  6. vaquero aleman

    vaquero aleman "ah-lay-mahn"

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    Thanks.

    I shot a few rounds of 45 Super out of my stock G21 barrel and I got bulging and smileys so I quit doing that. Haven't had any problems with the LWD barrels.

    Merry Christmas to everybody!
     
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  7. vaquero aleman

    vaquero aleman "ah-lay-mahn"

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    Well, it seems, LWD has finally gotten around to offering .460 Rowland conversions. But I don't understand the method that they have chosen. I suppose we should be thankful that they didn't tack on an extra $50 for all of thier other conversion barrels. Why not just make .460R barrels and list them? Maybe they will if enough people order a .460 barrel. I'm glad that I did the research and found the chamber reamer to do it myself. Well, I guess we should see this as a positive, at least they are making it available.
     
  8. vaquero aleman

    vaquero aleman "ah-lay-mahn"

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    Just a note, about .460 Rowland, for whom it may concern...

    I have noticed that my slide has developed a slight indentation at the slot that the firing pin slides through. It appears that firing .460 Rowland is damaging my slide. The primers have been pounding the steel and it is giving in.

    I believe that this may be causing me to have light strikes, when I fired 40 S&W out of my 10mm barrel I had several misfires. The firing pin had obviously struck the primers but they did not ignite.

    I am only guessing that this indentation played a role in the misfires, but I am not guessing about the indentation that 460R is causing. If I can get my crappy camera to focus on the slot I can add pics later, but for now the camera is acting a little finicky.

    P.S. I have since found out that my gun wasn't cycling the 40S&W because I had re-installed the slide catch incorrectly. The spring was working against me.
     
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  9. RWBlue

    RWBlue Mr. CISSP, CISA
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    Your pictures are not that unusual.

    If you have can....
    Don't hold anything, use a tripod or set it up so you can take your hands away.
    Use the timer on the camera, so you hand are not on the Camera.
    Don't use flash. Sunshine or use enough other lights around the room.

    Having shot VERY VERY hot ammo from my G21 Super + suppressor, I don't know what is going on with the breach face.

    I am wondering if the other guy did more than just drop the gun.

    How do the connections at the rails look? Mine took a beating.
     
  10. vaquero aleman

    vaquero aleman "ah-lay-mahn"

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    The only other thing that I have noticed is that the locking block pin is taking a beating. It's getting a little bent. But I believe everything is ok with the rails and steel inerts. No excessive wear. I am not sure, but isn't the locking block pin some kind of pot metal or aluminum?

    Also, I did a complete strip down for cleaning when I first got my G21. And i am 99.99% sure that there was no indentation at the breach face. That is something that I would have noticed, having had some problems with the P226 I had at that time. The 226 had tooling chatter in the beach face that made it look like rust pitting. Though I regret selling it the 226 is long gone. I had the EFK 5" barrel(357 Sig) hogue wraparound finger grips, stainless grip screws, you know...
     
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  11. vaquero aleman

    vaquero aleman "ah-lay-mahn"

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    Borrowed a better camera:
    If you noticed that the extractor is protruding too far into the breach it is because I performed the "KKM" modification to it.

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  12. vaquero aleman

    vaquero aleman "ah-lay-mahn"

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    This is from a post I have in "General Glocking", but, as it pertains to this thread I will post it here.

    Well, this is what happened at Glock, Inc. Smyrna today. The service rep gave me a ball cap


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    And then he proceeded to explain that if I continue firing from this slide it will eventually fail. He couldn't give me a time frame, just that it would fail and also that the repair that I made on the frame would continue to crack and eventually fail as well. I did not get any specific information regarding why the slide is the way it is but pretty much just a sales pitch and a statement that the only thing they were willing to do was to replace the slide and the frame. Since they offered a brand new, last in the house, OD frame with all of the hardware installed and a brand new G21 slide with all of the hardware installed except that I kept my barrel and sights, all for $305.00US I couldn't pass it up. So I don't know any thing more about why the slide was caving in but now I have a new gun. Good enuff fo me. Different serial numbers but I don't care.



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  13. RWBlue

    RWBlue Mr. CISSP, CISA
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    So how many rounds did you shoot to use up that gun?
     
  14. vaquero aleman

    vaquero aleman "ah-lay-mahn"

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    I didn't think that I put that many through it. I only shot a couple hundred 460's. I saw very quickly that arguing with a Glock rep was a waste of time, so I guess I will never know the truth.
     
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    Awesome thread.

    I need an OD Glock 21 now w/.460 Rowland compensated Cali Legal variant.

    My goal is to just have it with me for dry camping in remote wooded areas.

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  16. vaquero aleman

    vaquero aleman "ah-lay-mahn"

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    I have taken a break from my endeavor. I have sold, locally, my G21 for $700. And, I have replaced it with a Taurus M415 41 Magnum. I plan to, eventually, buy an LWD G21 slide, threaded barrel and a Yankee Hill Machine 45ACP compensator and get back into the .460 Rowland game. But for now, I will just enjoy making lots of noise and flames with my 41 Magnum.

    Good luck to all of you guys jumping on the .460 Wagon!

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  17. vaquero aleman

    vaquero aleman "ah-lay-mahn"

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    Well, I don't have a G21 .460 Rowland yet but I have managed to shoot some 460:

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