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45 Super?

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by flyandscuba, Nov 18, 2011.

  1. Arc Angel

    Arc Angel Deus Vult!

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    They lied! (I threw all of mine away. These things don't belong in a Glock.)
     


  2. vaquero aleman

    vaquero aleman "ah-lay-mahn"

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    Yeh, especially at $10 a piece!
     
  3. vaquero aleman

    vaquero aleman "ah-lay-mahn"

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    I realized that my long barrel w/comp had very quickly become a drawer ornament so I put my Dremel to work and now I have a very nice 45 Super barrel for my EDC.

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    From 6.61" to 5.25" with the flick of a switch.
     
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  4. Hi guys, HAPPY EASTER!
    Just happened on this thread. I have shooting and working with the .45 SUPER in my 21SF for about a year. Here is my set up on my gun. I take no responsibility for your gun.
    Lone Wolf 6" un-ported barrel,new Starline .45 Super brass. SS guide rod, un-cap. ISMI 22lb. recoil spring.
    230gr. Rainier JHP. slugs 1100-1200+FPS with various loads. Fun round. Packs a wallop!
     
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  5. vaquero aleman

    vaquero aleman "ah-lay-mahn"

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    Well, I finally went "all in" and converted my G21 to 460 Rowland. But I seem to be having the same feeding issue, that I did with 45 Super, so I ordered an 11 coil magazine spring. If the extra power mag spring don't help then I guess I'll spend the money and get the $95 Sprinco Cor Bon unit.

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  6. reflex264

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    I have my super feeding just fine. Extra power mag spring and a Storm Lake barrel. I am running a 24# spring on a SS rod. reflex264
     
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  7. vaquero aleman

    vaquero aleman "ah-lay-mahn"

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    I decided to just spend the money and get the Sprinco unit. $95(includes p&h).

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    Lone Wolf Distributors seems to be behind the 8 ball right now with thier shipping. I ordered the mag "spring" three days ago and it hasn't left thier warehouse yet. I ordered the Sprinco yesterday and will have it on Tuesday. I guess we just have to take it the way it's dished out and then ask for seconds.
     
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  8. vaquero aleman

    vaquero aleman "ah-lay-mahn"

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    You got the 6" barrel or stock length? You "rollin your own" or using store bought ammo?
     
  9. reflex264

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    6" barrel. Using Buffalo Bore and rolling my own. Love it. reflex264
     
  10. WeeWilly

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    I too have a 6" KKM barrel, 22# ISMI spring and playing with some .45 Super with my G21SF. I have been loading 230gr PD FMJ's and 230gr XTP's. Feed has been perfect with both the RN and the JHP's using stock 13RD and 10RD Glock mags.

    This KKM barrel will not reliably feed my standard .45ACP 200gr LSWC's target loads that all my 1911's and stock Glock 21 barrels will do.
     
  11. vaquero aleman

    vaquero aleman "ah-lay-mahn"

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    my 21 works great when everything is stock.
     
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  12. Angry Fist

    Angry Fist The Original® Lifetime Member

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    That is badass! :thumbsup: .460 is an asskicker fo' sho'!
     
  13. Shaker223

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    Ok, here goes. I started some 45 super load work using 45 +P Starline brass. I also purchased some 45 Super Starline brass as well. I cut some of each in half and felt the 45 +P brass provided more support.

    Gun details: G21, Lone Wolf aftermarket threaded barrel, Wolf 24lb recoil spring. Stock otherwise.

    The starting data used was lifted from this site:cool: I used Hornady 185XTP, AA#7, Wolf primer.

    I'm at work and don't have the middle powder measurements however the first 5 shot string (left in picture) started at 13.0 grains and the 7th and final string (right in pic) finished at 15.5 grains.

    My chrony was acting up all day and obtained some limited data. Shot string #5 (left to right in the box) was in the 1340fps range if memory serves correctly. Chrony messed up on 6&7 so I will have to redo those.

    The gun functioned perfectly. Ejected cases went 5-6 feet to the right and slightly back. Recoil (in my opinion) was moderate-heavy.

    I'm not seeing any smiles or any other indicators that would say to stop at this point. I've micrometered all of the cases the entire length of their bodies and I'm not finding any differences from string #1 to string #7 that would make me say "whoe nellie".

    Please let me know your thoughts and what you would consider as a case head measurement that might make you take a second look. Question: Is this measurement vs a virgin unfired case or vs a starting load fired case?

    Thanks for any input.
     

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  14. dougader

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    I think the ported or comped barrels help with the feeding issues. I think it helps to slow down your slide speed and lessens the battering a gun takes from the higher pressures of the 45 Super. I have a G21sf with a LWD 6 inch, 4-port barrel and a 22# recoil spring on a stainless guide rod. My rounds feed fine.

    I don't have my notes in front of me, but as I recall I have loaded up 200 grain Speer "flying ashtrays" to around 1300 fps (these come apart like grenades at anything much over 1000 fps), 230 grain zero fmj's to right at 1200 fps, and the 265 grain WFNGC Beartooth Bullets hardcast slug to 1177 fps. You read that right. A hardcast 265 @ 1177 fps for 815 ft. lbs. of muzzle energy.

    Now, my goal was to simply push a 255 - 265 grain hardcast slug to 900 fps; a ballistic duplicate of the old 45 Colt load from the 19th century. If you read about John Linebaugh's work with the 45 Colt, you'll see a 260 grain hardcast slug will penetrate antelope and mule deer from stem to stern. All I really need here in Oregon, unless I want to hunt elk or black bear with the 45 Super.

    I worked up slowly to get to 1177 fps, and if I thought I really needed it again I'd do it. But I have backed down to my 1033 fps load as a more safe and sane use of my 45 Super set-up.

    I still have a keg of the old Hercules Blue Dot, and it worked really well in the 45 Super for me. I haven't even tried other powders yet. Always use standard large pistol primers with Blue Dot. IME, Blue Dot can spike in pressure a lot faster when you're using magnum primers.

    I am interested to hear how the G21 holds up to 460 Rowland.
     
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  15. reflex264

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    What is you overall length with the 265? reflex264
     
  16. vaquero aleman

    vaquero aleman "ah-lay-mahn"

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    Funny how I find myself back here. I believe that I will most likely be returning to the land of 45 Super. I am waiting, very anxiously, for Underwood Ammo to get some of thier new 45 Super in stock. I will be purchasing at least two boxes of his 230gr @ 1100fps to see how my 21 likes it.

    Since I already have, in my mind at least, my 21 set up for 460 Rowland I think that it will probably shoot this 45 Super very well. Because, it did not like the Rowland at all! But then, I don't have a compensator to calm it down, just the Sprinco with the sub spring changed out for the Rowland and a 24# recoil spring. And, because I am a wild and crazy guy, I will be keeping my 21 loaded with the 460 Rowland 230gr @ 1300fps.

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  17. Shaker223

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    Sounds Cool V.A.!

    Does anyone make a recoil spring heavier than 24lbs?
     
  18. vaquero aleman

    vaquero aleman "ah-lay-mahn"

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    Ace Custom 45s shows on thier web site that they use a 25#. But I had no luck finding this 25# recoil spring. I guess it's a ghost spring.

    I have searched Wolff, Sprinco, ISMI and probably a couple others but the highest they go is 24#. I have actually considered taking two springs, cutting them down a little and combining them to see how that worked, but I haven't ordered the extra springs yet. I think it has something to do with not haveing the money any more.
     
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