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45 ACP vs 45 SUPER QUESTION

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by ghr1142, Nov 11, 2012.

  1. ghr1142

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    I'v been checking these for comparesen, and I find no differance in the brass. They are identical. My question is the Super just like a 45 ACP. +P+ ? If not ! whats so special about it. The bullet too is only .001 in diameter size.
    Any info. would be welcome

    Thanks. :dunno:
     
  2. Kingarthurhk

    Kingarthurhk Isaiah 53:4-9

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    I am curious myself. I have been tempted by .45 super for the speed up a typically slow round. However, I am reticient to do that with standard Glock barrel.
     


  3. ghr1142

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    I think your going to find a new barrel is in store. LWD.
    Maybe some of the other Glockers can give us the details. Let me know if you get any info.
     
  4. SDGlock23

    SDGlock23 Glockoholic

    The brass is identical externally. It's supposed to have a little bit beefier innards compared to the ACP because it is a higher pressure cartridge. I shoot the .45 Super and load for it, but I do use an aftermarket barrel to play it safe.
     
  5. CanyonMan

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    Hey there my brother ! Good to hear from ya. I have had a wave of post for the last few days, after a long lay off on GT, and am just about to go back into my lay off again... haha, but saw your post..

    I have read, as you know, I good deal of your post on the 45 super, and have another amigo on here, icemanchuck the tu tu cool friend of mine, that shoots a good deal of them.

    I am trying to sell a like new G20SF, Out of my stock, and some x-tra barrels for it as well, to 'maybe" fund another 45acp to use as just 45 super. That is until Yesterday, when I drove in to Allen , TX, at Cabela's new store there and saw a "Cabela's special". Ruger Super Blackhawk 44mag with a Bisley grip frame, and a 3 3/4" barrel ! Man... Sweet to the max ! Never I see this before, and all the years i been packin Ruger hog legs..

    As I said it is a 'special run from Cabela's'. Soooo Perhaps, a down payment, and 90 days to get it out. There won't ever (more than likely) be another one of these again...


    So, I still want to really get into the 45 super. Perhaps just by a AM barrel for one of the M1911's and do it that way. The rest is just a stiffer spring, and buying the "super brass." about 1100/1150fps with a 230gr bullet sounds nice to me, since I already carry 45acp EDC when "in Town" anyway...

    To many dang decisions goin on amigo ! ;)

    Well, see around. Drop me another email when ya can, let me know how your doin.


    God bless ya !





    CanyonMan
     
  6. I have been shooting 45 Super for several years out of my converted S&W 4506 and Glock 21sf. The way I understand it the brass is definitely beefier at the web of the casings but you can only see this on a cutaway.

    http://www.realguns.com/archives/020.htm

    The bottom of this link shows a cutaway of 45 brass. You can get the beefier Super brass at several places but I know Midway has it at a reasonable price.

    I do use a Lone Wolf compensated barrel for the Glock to shoot the 45 Super but the standard barrel in the S&W holds up well. I love the 45 Super, it's a great cartridge!
    Best price for 45 Super ammo is Underwood!!
     
  7. dougader

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    The 45 Super brass is also heat treated. From the Starline website:

     
  8. SDGlock23

    SDGlock23 Glockoholic


    Good to hear ya CM! That Cabelas special model Ruger SBH .44 w/Bisley grip sounds too cool, something to jump on for sure!

    Think of it like this, selling your G20sf would fund most of that sweet Super Blackhawk and you probably won't need an aftermarket barrel for the 1911 since it probably has great case support anyways. You may have seen this CM, but here is a 1911 shooting .45 Super for only $8, basically just spring upgrades:

    http://www.realguns.com/archives/020.htm

    Take care brother, good hearing from you!
     
    Last edited: Nov 12, 2012
  9. CanyonMan

    CanyonMan In The Saddle

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    Yep it is a really sweet six shooter. Now if I can only find a buyer for the 10mm. In this part of the country no one seems to want one ! ha.



    Thanks for the link, it was good stuff brother.


    Later amigo






    CanyonMan
     
  10. Kentguy

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    Sorry folks - got my thoughts crossed up here.
     
    Last edited: Nov 15, 2012
  11. Arc Angel

    Arc Angel Deus Vult!

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    :shocked: STOP! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?

    45 ACP, AND 45 SUPER CARTRIDGE CASES ARE NOT THE SAME.

    Keep on going the way you are now; and, 'kaBoom!' you'll quickly find out the hard way exactly what the difference between these two cartridges is. :freak:

    45 ACP = 21,000 psi.
    45 ACP +P = 23,000 psi.
    45 Super = 28,000 psi.

    NEVER USE STANDARD 45 ACP BRASS TO LOAD TO 45 SUPER VELOCITIES.

    There is no such thing as, '45 ACP +P+'.
     
    Last edited: Nov 15, 2012
  12. SCmasterblaster

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    How do you tell between the brasses (.45 ACP and .45 Super) when retrieving them from the floor? Does the .45 Super have noticeable head stamps?
     
  13. Iceman cHucK

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    Yes, Starline brass is headstamped "45 Super"
     
  14. SCmasterblaster

    SCmasterblaster Millennium Member

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    That's good. Otherwise, it would be very difficult to tell them apart.
     
  15. Arc Angel

    Arc Angel Deus Vult!

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    I've used Winchester, and Starline 45 Super brass. All of it was headstamped, '45 Super'. Why? Because it has to be! (The web immediately behind the head is thicker and better able to withstand 45 Super pressure - Especially in significantly rebated Glock chambers.
     
  16. SCmasterblaster

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    I often wonder why ammo manufacturers keep trying to make expandable hollow points in .45 caliber when the bullet width is already a wide .45 inches? I mean the 9mm makers are very pleased when their bullets achieve .45 inches after expansion. Why not just develop an ordinary SP or SWC load in .45ACP?
     
  17. SDGlock23

    SDGlock23 Glockoholic

    Because when my .45 Super throws a 250gr Gold Dot out of my G21 Gen4 (KKM bbl) at 1050-1100 fps and expands to over .80" and penetrates deep, what's not to like?
     
  18. SCmasterblaster

    SCmasterblaster Millennium Member

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    .80 caliber? Awesome.
     
  19. chuckscap

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    I know this is a Glock Forum and we have a G36 and like it a lot, but I've been shooting 45 Super loads (230g bonded Golden Sabre HPs at 1150 fps) out of my Springfield V16 LongSlide for over a decade for my self defense load. I shoot regular 230g 45 ACP hardball for practice and always finish up with a couple of clips of 45 Super. It's a great round!

    [​IMG]
     
  20. gatorboy

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    It's pretty nice
    That is one hell of a load! I'll have to check 45 Colt bullets for some short 250's.