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44-40 for deer

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by RWBlue, Oct 16, 2010.

  1. RWBlue

    RWBlue Mr. CISSP, CISA CLM

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    If you were hunting deer with a 44-40, which load would you use? Why?

    Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
    200 gr (13 g) lead 1,245 ft/s (379 m/s) 688 ft·lbf (933 J)
    217 gr (14.1 g) lead 1,190 ft/s (360 m/s) 682 ft·lbf (925 J)
    225 gr (14.6 g) lead 750 ft/s (230 m/s) 281 ft·lbf (381 J)
     
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  2. What are the shapes of the bullets, SWC or WFN?

    Bob :cowboy:
     

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  3. RWBlue

    RWBlue Mr. CISSP, CISA CLM

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    These would be traditional lever action loads. Flat nose, but not SWC.
     
  4. G19aps

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    One of the first two. Higher velocity would be a little flatter shooting and since it's non expanding, should penetrate better if you take a less than optimum shot.
    Though I think an expanding bullet is a better choice.
     
  5. Jim Watson

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    The first load is the standard Winchester load, the second is the Marlin spec. Either will do anything necessary to a deer if you hit it right.

    I don't understand the 3rd load; 25 grains of lead is not going to cost you 400-500 fps. That looks more like revolver ballistics. I would expect about 1100 fps from a rifle.
     
  6. RWBlue

    RWBlue Mr. CISSP, CISA CLM

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    I pulled the data from Wikipedia, there could be a screw up, or maybe it is pistol velocity.





    BTW, This is theory background. I don't have a 44-40. But ......it looks like fun.
     
  7. BOGE

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    I have several 44-40`s, however I load real blackpowder in my cartridges. :supergrin: Having said that, bullet design is everything & factory fodder is weak stuff downloaded for antique arms and I would not recommend it for hunting at all. For a decent hunting load you`re going to have to reload.
     
  8. RWBlue

    RWBlue Mr. CISSP, CISA CLM

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    Well the load data above should be historically correct BP loads, so...Which one would you go for and why?
     
  9. Gunnut 45/454

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    Use a SWC or WFN bullet with either of the first loadings and you'll have a great deer rifle out to 125 yards! Just make sure you can put them on a pie plate at that range and you'd be golden!! Just bust them in the shoulder and they should drop at the shot!:supergrin:
     
  10. NonPCnraRN

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    You could get the same or better killing ability from a 40 S&W 200 gr WFNGC (.30" meplat) out of a Glock 23. I'd use a hardcast 240 WFN .429 bullet (.34" meplat) at about 1200 fps out of a carbine. Doable out of a modern 92 clone or Ruger Blackhawk. With nonexpanding bullets it is the meplat size and impact velocity that determines wound size. The meplat on the RNFP bullets in the loads you listed don't have that big a meplat (.26").
     
  11. BOGE

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    Do you handload real BP cartridges? If so, the most you can get in a modern solid head case & seat the bullet is about 37 gr. FFg. You will need a PROPERLY lubed & sized BP bullet. Smokeless lube won`t cut it. SPG lube is the benchmark for real BP.
     
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  12. NonPCnraRN

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    How fast are follow-up shots when you are shooting Holy Black?
     
  13. BOGE

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    Just as fast as smokeless unless there is zero wind whereas you need to move a tad to view.
     
  14. Gunnut 45/454

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    I dead soft SWC or WFN will mushroom quite nicely! I've run soft lead through my rifles in 45 LC at the 1200-1400 fps range and they Mushroomed very well! They blow up Jack rabbits quite nicely!:supergrin:
     
  15. NonPCnraRN

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    Sounds good. The barrel must be very smooth and the bullets tight in the bore to prevent gas blow by. Do they have gaschecks or are they plain base? I love guns that take game with old school technology, especially if you cast them yourself.
     
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  16. RWBlue

    RWBlue Mr. CISSP, CISA CLM

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    As is, the only BP traditional cartridges I have are 45-70 and 45LC. Both of which are fun to shoot with trailboss handloads. I "should" be able to replicate any BP load with TB. Then the question is, do I want the cleaning involved with BP or not. Do I want the smoke with BP?

    At this point, I am trying to decide if it is worthwhile to look for a 44-40 OR move forward with 45LC.
     
  17. CanyonMan

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    44-40 is fun to be sure, and most certainly can take deer. They been doing it a long time. But since you ask, I would highly suggest the 45LC over the 44-40. Especially if you plan to do alot of hunting. There is no comparison here 'between the two' (rifle or hog leg) when it comes to a 'hunting gun'.

    I've been shooting that caliber (45LC) forever and a day it seems. I put a winchester 45LC in my sons hands when he was little, and with my reloads of 275gr Hard Cast, he cleans the plow on deer, and makes for a good elk/bear rifle as well. He shoots open sights mostly on everything, except of course the 7mag. ha.

    I like what Boge said about the BP loads. Those are really fun especially (to me) out of the pistols, and they most certainly can do more damage on a close range deer than folks think. Just hate the cleanup. But shootin sure is fun...

    The 45LC and the 45-70 lever guns will take down (properly loaded, about anything you want to hunt... ;)


    Good luck
    Good shooting





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  18. BOGE

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    Can you ``replicate`` making love with a rubber doll? The answer is no. REAL BP is another experience that CANNOT be duplicated. It is total BS about cleanup. I can clean a BP gun in less than half the time needed to clean a smokeless weapon and need no harsh chemicals to boot.
     
  19. RWBlue

    RWBlue Mr. CISSP, CISA CLM

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    I have shot other BP guns. Hawken clones, Encore, ball and cap, Lyman pistol, flintlock pistol.

    The clean up is different between smokeless and BP. With BP, I need to clean that day. With smokeless, I don't clean every time I shoot. It is not needed.

    So I may not EVER shoot BP in my cartridge guns. On the other hand, I may ever once and a while for fun.
     
  20. CanyonMan

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    Oh, I won't say that.. I been shooting smoke poles of all kinds since I was a kid. I have yet to see ONE, that I could clean faster than a non BP powder load, OR, one that I could let sit around for a long time without cleaning like with Non BP powder.

    I'm not saying it is a "chore" to clean BP, just time consuming 'as compared' to non BP was my meaning.. Hot water and some swabbin and your done. But they are more dirty to clean than a non BP powder. ;)






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