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.40 hornady critical defense or pdx1

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by PhatAlbert, Dec 31, 2011.

  1. I have limited my options to these. I have heard good things about pdx1 but like the concept of critical defense. I have a .380 and tested some Corbon jhp into jugs and all three time I shot it went through all 6 jugs and the denim. I assume that was because it did not expand so I tested hornady in the Sam regards and each bullet functioned great. I also tested it into homemade gelatin with denim and liked the results. But .40 is new to me and I do not want it clogging. Any input appreciated.

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  2. Brad55102


    Dec 4, 2010
    West MI
    I wouldn't pick either
    I would choose
    Speer Gold dots
    Federal HST's
    buy them online in 50rd boxes

  3. DRT


    May 6, 2001
    Neither. I'd choose one of the following

    180gr Federal HST
    165gr Winchester Ranger T-series
  4. packinaglock

    packinaglock John 3:16

    May 1, 2007
    Loxahatchee Fl
    I agree with Brad & DRT
  5. Merkavaboy

    Merkavaboy Code-7A KUZ769

    If your ONLY choices are Hornady's FTX or Winchester's PDX1, I'd go with the PDX since it is based on the street proven SXT bullet design.
  6. PghJim


    Apr 21, 2005
    There have been expansion issues with the PDX1 165 gr load and I do not think the CD expands much at all. Yea they expand, but look at the diameters. Those are probably the last two picks I would make. All of the bullets mentioned are good.
  7. What's a good place to look online for the "law enforcement" type loads such as ranger t or hst?

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  8. Andy W

    Andy W

    Dec 4, 2006
  9. Hour13

    Hour13 Tah-dah!

    Aug 21, 2011
    San Antonio, TX
    Well, the thing is, your talking about two rounds that, while both being HPs, are designed for two different purposes.

    The Hornaday CDs are designed for maximum expansion, and to reduce the chances of over-penetration. They are not intended for barrier penetration. These are a great HD round, particularly for those who live in apartments or duplexes. Also, the rubber booger in the cavity prevents the HP from being plugged with fabric, to ensure good expansion in the target.

    The PDX(and Win's similar lines) was meant to be a do-it-all pretty well round. The bonded jacket is thicker near the cavity opening, helps to retain the bullet's shape when hitting glass, drywall, etc. Designed to provide the benefits of a JHP, while still offering barrier penetration ability. Primarily designed for LE/Agency type use, it simply put, gives a decent balance between the ballistic performance of a JHP, and the barrier penetration of a FMJ.

    My HD G22 is loaded with the Hornadays. My carry is 180gr Ranger Bonded JHPs.
    Last edited: Jan 1, 2012
  10. Ak.Hiker


    Feb 8, 2005
    Homer Alaska
    Good info on both loads. I have tested the 180 grain PDX 1 and they are good at barrier penetration for a hollow point. As stated the Critical Defense is designed for personal defense. Hornady also loads the Critical Duty designed for barrier penetration as well as there XTP line also know for deep penetration. Lots of choices.
  11. dkf


    Aug 6, 2010
    Not really a fan of the CD because of its somewhat poor performance against barriers.(and 20rd box only) So between the two I would choose the PDX1. (Would buy Ranger Bonded due to 50rd box availability) The HST or GD in 165gr or 180gr are also good choices.
  12. Andy W

    Andy W

    Dec 4, 2006
    Another thing, if you really want the PDX1, you would probably be better off buying the Ranger Bonded. It's the same round but comes in a box of 50 rather than the stupid 20 round boxes with prices approaching, or even exceeding $1 per round. You'll save yourself some money if you go with the Ranger Bonded.
  13. jaklcrow


    Feb 12, 2010
  14. hotpig

    hotpig IAFF Local 4766 CLM

    I sell all of the above ammo except CorBon and Hornady because demand was so low it was not worth buying stock.

    I prefer the Ranger Bonded in most of my guns.
  15. Quarter Tank

    Quarter Tank

    Aug 7, 2011
    if you had to choose between the 2 it would be PDX1 in 180gr

    I would rather have

    GD 180gr
    HST 180gr
    Ranger T 180gr
  16. Yankee2718


    Nov 23, 2010
    I've tested the 165 pdx1. It works very well.

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  17. NG VI

    NG VI

    Feb 20, 2008
    I'm with Quarter Tank and everyone else who would rather have more proven, better performing, and less expensive loads.

    Critical Defense has the plug to prevent an issue which hasn't really been an issue in any of the other current bullets around today. It doesn't expand much. It doesn't penetrate much.

    It's like an XTP without the penetration, and with added cost. No thanks.
  18. cowboy1964


    Sep 4, 2009
    I have never been impressed with CD testing I've seen. And you never hear about actual LE street feedback because it's just not used. Pass.

    Between those two I'd go PDX1. But my order of preference is Gold Dot, HST, Ranger.
    Last edited: Jan 9, 2012
  19. Ranger T
    Gold Dot
    Ranger bonded
  20. So what you guys are saying is you want law enforcement ammo for home defense? I don't think we shoot through auto glass? Or steel? Just wondering?

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