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40 Cal/Deer size game

Discussion in 'Hunting, Fishing & Camping' started by 1SGMP, Nov 18, 2010.

  1. 1SGMP

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    Hi All
    I was wondering if anyone here has taken deer size game with a 40 cal. If so what ammo did you use? how far away? etc etc.

    thanks
    1SG
     
  2. K.Kiser

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    I wouldn't recommend it, unless you are close enough for a head or neck shot... Sure it will kill one with a heart/lung shot, but IMO it's below the minimum for a reliable, clean, ethical hunting... It you decide to use it I would use whichever bullet penetrates the best... This probably excludes the top-o-the-line self defense rounds with huge hollowpoints... In terms of weight, I would probably say the 180's or maybe a 165 at the least...
     


  3. GeorgiaRedfish

    GeorgiaRedfish Senior Member

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    Right behind you...
    I would not use any handgun caliber under 44 mag for deer. For a clean ethical kill
     
  4. triple ditto

    Most service caliber are hell on a human for stopping them and plain stupid for hunting. I would say a 41magnum as the bare minimum or a 357magnum with right load and "steady hands" & adequate barrel, for a deer.

    Alot of Service calibers are limited by bad sights, limite velocity and piss poor ammo for hunting a deer/lope animal.
     
  5. alwaysshootin

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    Don't kid yourself, a 10MM does the job quite nicely on deer! Just look up cookselk new post! A 41 mag may out shine a 10, and a 44 mag certainly does, but the 10 far out shines the .357 mag. Personally I would never hunt deer with a 40 S&W, but some think a .223 is a good choice.:upeyes:
     
  6. GeorgiaRedfish

    GeorgiaRedfish Senior Member

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    Right behind you...
    Smallest rifle caliber: .243
    Smallest handgun caliber: .44 mag

    At least for me.
     
  7. K.Kiser

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    I agree...
     
  8. K.Kiser

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    The 10mm does outperform a .357 but not by much.. Only about 50 lbs. of energy and neither is an ethical choice for deer unless the animal very close... Sooner or later in the hunting world these weak cartridges will fail to perform like they have a pair, the animal will suffer and the story will never make it to the computer...
     
  9. duncan

    duncan Millennium Member Lifetime Member

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    Good advice here.

    40SW was designed as a compromise round since the Norma 10mm was too much for some federal law enforcement agents:crying:

    10mm can do the job short range with the right loads and a 16" barrel - Oly Arm 10mm 16" AR carbine is mine for deer.

    A Marlin 357 mag guide gun carbine would also work well.

    But 9mm, 40SW, 45 acp just are tad short on the FPE needed.

    As hunters, clean and decisive kills are the objective. I like to anchor them dead on the spot.
     
  10. Deer size varies a lot in the US.

    On our small VA deer, especially a young doe or button buck at 25 yards or less I would not have a problem using a .40 S+W. Our VA game laws only require 350 ft lbs of muzzle energy for handgun hunting. So with some loads even a 9MM would be legal.

    But your location says MA, so I'm assuming you are talking about larger northern deer. In that case I would be less inclined to use the .40 S+W.

    And the big question, is the .40 S+W even legal in the state you want to hunt in? What are the magazine capacity rules for hunting with a handgun?
     
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  11. very good points on size of deer.

    If I was hunting a FLA-Key deer than a 40sw would be okay. ANnything else would be heck no.

    edit: This is a key deer and no this is not photoshop ;)

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    another view

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  12. RWBlue

    RWBlue Mr. CISSP, CISA CLM

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    So what type of dog is this?:whistling:



    Coming from the land of big deer. I will say that cops finish off many deer with 40S&W, 357Sig, 9mm....... It is a matter of shot placement.

    Now, will I hunt with a 40S&W, 357Sig, 9mm.......NO. I have been known to take less than optimal shots because that is all I had and I wanted the meat for the freezer.
     
  13. I thought the Key Deer were a federally protected species?


    Oh and Key Deer are descendants of the VA Whitetailed deer.
     
  14. Yes they are. That about the appropiate size game for a .40cal SW handgun imho. About the size of a large dog and rarely over 65lbs.
     
  15. jrh3

    jrh3 War Eagle

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    Yes the fla deer are small but there are also monster sized deer in FL. Here in alabama 65 lb. deer are considered small.

    If im not mistaken its not legal to hunt deer with small caliber handguns in Alabama.
     
  16. Kegs

    Kegs Ol 8 fingers ;)

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    .357 mag minimum for deer. 10mm is for all realistic purposes, is about the same as a .357 mag in terms of energy.

    Speer lists .357 mag loads for silhouette that completely blow 10mm away. Those loads can be shot in certain revolver makes and models (so not just contender/encore loads).

    40 s&w is a little light for deer, but if you REALLY know what you are doing, you can load 40 s&w up to .44 mag power.

    This is not for the recoil sensitive or "book load" person. :supergrin:

    Also, there are quite a few people out there who have killed deer with the .40 s&w, but (again) it is not a good choice.
     
  17. RWBlue

    RWBlue Mr. CISSP, CISA CLM

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    Please post more on this.
     
  18. CanyonMan

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    :shame: No you cannot ! Period!




    CM
     
  19. sure you can, it's a self-destructive bomb :rofl: