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.380 just as good as .45 ACP!

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by Blaster, Jul 16, 2010.

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  1. Blaster

    Blaster Hunc tu caveto

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    I was listening to a internet podcast on ammo. The commentator said that due to advances in modern ammunition that the .380 is just as effective as a 9mm in expansion and penetration.

    Extrapolating further, many say the the 9mm is just as good as the .45 ACP, therefore the .380 must have the same stopping power as a .45 ACP.

    I am starting to wonder if I can continue this comparison right on up to the .50 BMG.
     

  2. sjones

    sjones Millennium Member

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  3. Pimp gun

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    Are you willing to bet your life on that info
     
  4. Blaster

    Blaster Hunc tu caveto

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    I carry a true .45 ACP not the speculated equivalent.
     
  5. packinaglock

    packinaglock John 3:16

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    I can honestly say I would rather be shot with a 380 than a .45
     
  6. drc767

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    In a word...."NO"
     
  7. 481

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    Sounds like an interesting, although very extreme, transitive argument that could be permitted to progress in either direction.

    Allow me to illustrate...

    Due to advances in modern ammunition the .380 = 9mm = .357SIG = .40S&W = .45ACP in terms of expansion and penetration

    and since these advances apply to all ammunition in the transitive sense, then it must progress in the reverse in order to preserve the established equality so that .22LR = .25ACP = .32 Auto = .30 Luger = .380

    Ultimately, since both extreme ends of these equations are equal to one another, I can then say that .22LR = .45ACP and we should all be able to carry .22s assured that they will speak with authority equal to that of all the "larger" calibers.

    And here I've been wasting my time putting up with the expense, bulk, weight and inconvenience of the centerfire service calibers! :supergrin:


    :animlol:
     
  8. And a Honda Civic will drop off a cliff just as fast as a Ferrari, but wait, if a blonde is driving the Ferrari, she'll have to ask directions to the bottom, therefore, the Civic is faster. :whistling:

    Bob :cowboy:
     
  9. 481

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    And here I thought that I was good at "funny". I stand "trumped".

    :rofl:
     
  10. 9mm +p+

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    That's great! I'll stick with my 45's and 357 mags thanks.
     
  11. greenlion

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    All men are humans.
    Angelina Jolie is a human.
    Therefore, Angelina is a man.

    It's called a Non Sequitur (does not follow) logical fallacy.
     
  12. unit1069

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    That's ludicrous. What police department or LEO agency carries .380ACP caliber duty pistols?

    I'm not even sure the best JHP .380ACP ammo made reliably penetrates 12 inches when expanding as designed.
     
  13. TKM

    TKM Shiny Member Lifetime Member

    Icky, icky, ick.
     
  14. ComeAndGetThem

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    How is it that only the weaker calibers have benefited from these advances in metallurgy and ballistics? I believe that the 9MM cartridges of today are MUCH more capable than 9MM cartridges of 30 years ago and are perfectly adequate for self defense purposes. But haven't all cartridges benefited from ammunition advancements and the gaps between them remained relatively similar?
     
  15. Njanear

    Njanear Nagant-ophile

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    But the LEO agency do have the option in purchasing the elusive G25s for department use, don't they? Based on this thread, there must be a real US market for them. :rofl:
     
  16. Yes, well, I'm surprised that you didn't know this already. Don't you feel silly now?
     
  17. ldrichard

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    Someone on here has a tag line in their signature that says "A 9mm may expand but a
    .45 will never shrink."

    I guess we can assume that ''a .380 may expand but a 9mm will never shrink."

    Use the largest caliber you can handle. Me, I use a .45.

    Good advice for those who are undecided.
     
  18. David_Ely

    David_Ely GAP'r

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    A .380 and a 9mm are already the same diameter just a different weight.

    A .380 is also known as a 9mm Kurtz or 9x17mm.
     
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2010