Thank-You for your tests. Shooting into water jugs is fun but does not give you an accurate picture(ballistics) of what performance you actually get from any one ammo. When shooting into water the water pretty much acts like a solid wall-thus giving you false expansion readings and false penetration readings. Why do you think people jump off a bridge? Because the water they are jumping into pretty much acts like a wall thus making their jump very terminal. Shooting in gel is not totally accurate but much more accurate then shooting water jugs. The gel has a give & take response (similar to the human body) giving you both an accurate expansion reading & pentration reading. But remember no gel test totally copies the affect of ammo shot into a human body. Wanna kill these ads? We can help!