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.308 NATO And the grizzly bear

Discussion in 'Hunting, Fishing & Camping' started by WolfmanGK, May 12, 2002.

  1. WolfmanGK

    WolfmanGK Super Plump

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    Yes, I know, a .308 is insufficient. However, what about a semiauto, like the French MAS? If the first shot didn't drop him, you could give him a few more till he does drop. What are people's thoughts on this?
     
  2. 10mmGuy

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    Sounds good to me. But then again I hope to someday go after one with my 20.;g
     


  3. sharpshooter

    sharpshooter Member Millennium Member

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    .308 NATO means FMJ, and that's not really desireable compared to all the great hunting bullets out there. A heavy expanding bullet will do th ejob just fine if you do your job decently.
     
  4. DJ Niner

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    When I lived in Alaska, many folks I knew who wandered the bush selected a full-size or Tanker Garand in .30-06, filled with surplus AP ammo. I don't believe they were legal for hunting, but either one had great penetration for defensive shots on large carnivores. The .308 would do just as well, probably, IF a person could handle it quickly and skillfully in a VERY stressful situation.

    As usual, the person is potentially the weakest point in the loop.
     
  5. Mark 19

    Mark 19 Whois John Galt Millennium Member CLM

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    I've heard 2nd hand stories of elephant poachers using .308 semiautos, because they were available as surplus, and ammo is cheap compared to the big bores. Can anyone confirm?
     
  6. WolfmanGK

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    Very true, however, I stress the point that the rifle is an automatic, and you will have the opportunity if needed for a second shot drop.
     
  7. DJ Niner

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    Don't count on having the time or chance for a second shot -- make the first one COUNT. Bear encounters are often sudden and very unexpected; both you and the bear are startled as you pop around a turn in the trail, etc. A griz (as I have been told MANY times) can out-sprint a racehorse; if he's close, one shot may well be all you get.

    Most guys who got chewed-up by bears in Alaska when I was there each shared a similar problem; no matter what gun they were carrying, they had it slung over their back or pack (instead of in their hands, ready-to-use). Some of them were even carrying chamber-empty! How fast and sure can you work your bolt-gun when old fish-breath is "bear"ing down on you?

    Many of the hunting guides use a sabot-loaded slug shotgun (pump, for reliability) with extended mag; very fast and controllable, and most bird hunters can use it almost instinctively (point and shoot). Others use a .338 WM, .375 H&H, .416 Rem, or other BIG rifles; very hard to shoot these well, and ammo is VERY expensive.

    Practice with whatever you choose is probably more important then WHAT you choose.
     
  8. shrpshtr

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    .308 would be fine, 30.06, or .270 would be as well in a hunting situation. shot placement is obviously critical. in a self-defense situation, there is very little you can do with a long gun. imo, the best thing you can do is carry a .44mag or bigger with really hot loads.

    or you could be an idiot like me...i am going to use my Hoyt Fast Flight bow w/125gr broad heads from the ground.
     
  9. duncan

    duncan Millennium Member Lifetime Member

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    With excellent shot placement, an Indian lady in Alaska took done a Grizzly with a .22 rifle.

    But you're better off with 7mm Rem Mag or 45/70 or the like.

    Better overpowdered than under!
     
  10. BWR55

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    Which cartridge exactly is the .308 Nato? Is it the 7.62X39, the
    7.62X51, the 7.62X54 or the 30-06? Just wander. Not looking to get flamed just ignorance on my part.
     
  11. Dadburn

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    308 is the 7.62x51,7.62 x 39 is an AK round
     
  12. BWR55

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    Thanks for your reply Dadburn. I thought that was probably it but just didn't know. That is the American .308 Winchester round then. commonly (or not so common)known for it's military use in the M14. Which I hear a lot of the Navy boys want to phase out. They are (I believe) the only branch of service still using them.