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230 gr Berry's RN, W 231 & .45 ACP

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by Trigger Time 23, Jan 13, 2012.

  1. Trigger Time 23

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    I am starting reloading for .45 ACP. I have some Berry's plated .45 projectiles on the way. I think I have settled on using W-231 powder. Hodgdon lists 4.2-5.3 grains as the load range for this powder and bullet. I have read elsewhere that some guys like 5.5 grains, but this is over max listed. Obviously I will work the load up, but was wondering what you guys use. Thanks for any and all suggestions.

    By the way I love reading all the reloading section of GT. Very informative. I don't post much but read lots.
     
  2. XDRoX

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    That data you are looking at is for jacketed bullets and you bought plated ones. Plated data falls in between jacketed and lead. All other things equal, lead usually takes less powder than jacketed and so does plated.

    So you'll want to stay away from max loads (listed for jacketed) using plated bullets.
    Assuming you bought 230gr plated bullets from Berry's IMO you would be wise to start around 4.2gr and work your way up.

    Hope that helps.
     

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  3. Zombie Steve

    Zombie Steve Decap Pin Killa

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    I don't have a ton of experience with plated bullets, but I've shot some my buddy made up... 5.1 grains of 231. We were using a pretty short overall length (1.220") so we didn't have to mess with the die for the lead bullets we cast. If the plated is a 230 round nose, I'd probably test it with an OAL of 1.260" (or the longest oal that works in your gun) just to give yourself a little more wiggle room.

    For what it's worth, the lead data in speer 13 is showing 5.1 as a start charge and 5.6 grains as a max with a 230 lead round nose loaded to 1.270". 6.2 is max for their 230 fmj bullet.

    Anyway, hope it helps. If nothing else, It'll bump the thread for someone with more time using 231 and plated bullets.
     
  4. Trigger Time 23

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    Sounds good. I was planning on starting at 4.2 grains or even a little less and working up.
     
  5. gforester

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    Your load might also depend on what firearm you are using. I load my .45acp to 4.4 grains of W231/HP38 using 230 grain RN moly coated lead. They function perfectly well in my H&K USP but would sometimes FTE in my HK45. I would say add .1 to .2 grains to recommended load for lead bullets as a starting point. Just make sure you load it hot enough to insure good function and you should be good to go.

    FWIW Hodgdon recommends 4.3 - 5.3 grains for LRN and 4.2 - 5.3 for JHP, both at 1.200" go figure.
     
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  6. Trigger Time 23

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    Thank you much for the information. I appreciate the help.
     
  7. Trigger Time 23

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    I will be shooting these mainly out of a Colt Commander 1911. Again, thank you for the information.
     
  8. Trigger Time 23

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    Are you guys happy using W-231, or is there something better? I am planning on picking up 1# tonight and after researching had settled on W-231, but I am open to other suggestions.
     
  9. fredj338

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    I doubt the gun even runs @ 4.2gr, pretty low charge, even for lead or plated. My IDPA load is a 225grLRN w/ 5.1gr @ 1.230" for 790fps. A plated would probably run about 770fps in a 5" gun.
    WST my man, WST!:supergrin:
     
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  10. Trigger Time 23

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    What is the advantage of WST over W-231?
     
  11. XDRoX

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    It smells way better for one :supergrin:
     
  12. tjpet

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    Better accuracy and cleaner burning.
     
  13. meleors

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    W231 5.0gr @ 1.250" for a Berry's 230gr RN plated.

    This is a good target load that is fairly soft shooting.
     
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  14. Trigger Time 23

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    Thanks for the info.
     
  15. fredj338

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    ^^THIS^^ WST is very slightly faster than W231, burns cleaner, high loft, soft recoil, tremendous accuracy, less smoke w/ lead bullets & it smells good!:wow: What's not to like? Best powder I have ever tried in the 45acp & I have tried a few. One of the VV may rival it, but @ nearly twice the price.:whistling:
     
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  16. Trigger Time 23

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    WST it is. I am going to pick up some after work. Hopefully it is in stock. Thanks for all the information from everyone. Greatly appreciated.
     
  17. SigFTW

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    I use Bullseye for my 45ACP and never thought about changing. I think I will pick up a pound of WST and see what it can do. If it's cleaner and better accuracy it's worth a try!
     
  18. sellersm

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    I'm really liking WST in my new .45 loads! Either 200gr or 230gr, works great!
     
  19. Zombie Steve

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    Of course, the real answer to the question is Unique... WSF if you're the emotional type what gets whiny about metering. :whistling:
     
  20. meleors

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    The easiest solution would be to use WTF. Charge wt and OAL are not a concern with WTF powder. :whistling:
     
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