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.22LR: round nose? Or hollow point?

Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by Metal Angel, Jun 10, 2012.

  1. Metal Angel

    Metal Angel

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    Just bought a box of CCI Mini-Mags and didn't really pay attention to the box as I thought they were all the same. Turns out this box was full of round nose bullets. I was sort of bummed at first, but then I got to thinking, maybe round nose is better... It should penetrate much further, and in really small game where penetration is not an issue, the bullet by itself is plenty big enough to put them down without expansion.

    This may seem like a non-issue as .22 should never be used for self defense or hunting anything larger than a possum anyway, but the reason I buy CCIs instead of bulk ammo in the first place is because I don't presume to know what I will have to use any of my guns for. I want my .22 to be as effective as it can be. I watched a couple gel tests on YouTube- the mini-mag hp had respectable expansion, and about 10" penetration from a rifle at 25 yards. The round nose mini-mag was shot from a handgun, so the tests are not totally comparable, but it mad a fair channel due to tumbling, and penetrated 13".

    I don't know, what do you guys think?
     
  2. bhk

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    There is a WORLD of difference in their performance on small game. This comes from fifty years of hunting truck loads of rabbits, squirrels, groundhogs, etc. The solids will work ok for head shots, but solids often just zip through with body shots and cause minimal damage. The creature will die, of course, but not immediately. With hollow points, the creatures are usually DRT.
     

  3. hogship

    hogship It's MY Island

    If there is a choice, I always get the LRN in standard velocity........

    What I do isn't going to be the best choice for everyone, but 99.999% of my 22 shooting is just target shooting and plinking.

    It's been awhile since I've hunted for Blue Grouse, but there isn't any difference on performance there......HP not any better than LRN for little critters.

    Some people like to use HP's on gophers, squirrels, and the like.......because they like the explosive effect, but it really isn't necessary.

    ooc
     
  4. bustedknee

    bustedknee Curmudgeon

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    When I was 6 years old my dad told me:

    "If you are going to shoot squirrels in the head, use hollow points. Who cares if you destroy the whole head. And a hit anywhere on the head with a HP will kill him.

    If you are going to body shoot squirrels, say, at a longer distance, use solids. Don't destroy any more meat than necessary.


    "A body shot on a groundhog with either bullet may kill him but he will mostly likely get back in his hole before he dies.
    Head shoot him with a HP and he will die on the spot.
    "



    Dad and I were the best groundhog and squirrel hunters in the world, when I was 6.
     
  5. Metal Angel

    Metal Angel

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    Haha! I love the color guides! Shouldn't a round nose kill him instantly with a headshot too?
     
  6. RedHaze

    RedHaze Handgunner

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    For varmints I won't be eating... nothing beats the segmented hyper velocity HP
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    For critters to eat... CCI - Small Game Bullet
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    For bigger critters to eat...
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  7. Bruce M

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    About anything that I could hunt with a .22 I would prefer to not eat. That said in my limited exposure there often is a noticeable difference between the hollow points and the rounds noses versions.
     
  8. DPris

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    Agree with BHK.
    Solids just zip on through rabbits & similar-sized animals.
    Only for plinking or head shots.
    HPs for anything you need to put down immediately, and that includes snakes if you don't have snake shot.

    Denis
     
  9. Plinking I use RN hunting I use HP because I WANT more expansion. And its not like you cant use the RN for plinking or sighting in or target practice and just buy another box of HP...last I checked they were NOT very expensive :). Now IF I had to use a .22 for self defense because my 9mm,.357,.38 special and everything else was broke(cant think of ANY other reason to use a .22 as SD) id want RN..I want the extra penetration of a RN in a bigger body target for SD rather then the expansion because the expansion may happen BEFORE it hits anything vital.

    but for small game stick to HP.

    Oh and those CCI rounds are really nice rounds. I dont normally pony up the big bucks for that special target ammo for shooting Silhouette(sporter class) I normally stick with the CCI mini mags in standard velocity..they have performance VERY close to that of the much more pricey target ammo and the Mini mags are $22 a brick VS $50+ for the target stuff...im not THAT into Silhouette or THAT good at it to need $50+ a brick ammo :).
     
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  10. Rancher

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    Small varmint I keep my mags loaded with cheap Remington Golden bulk pack 36 gr. HP bullets and they do a fine job. I really don't eat anything I shoot with my .22's. Velocity is advertised as 1280 fps at muzzle.

    Have not really had any malfunction issues with the Golden or any other bulk pack bullets in either my 10/22 or my M&P 15/22 but I do shoot a lot of Mini Mags and other 40 grain round nose bullets from those two guns and never had a malfunction. Mini Mag box in front of me says 1235 fps which is slower than the Goldens.

    Guess my opinion would be to carry a defensive handgun with you as well as the .22 just in case.

    Rancher
     
  11. Rancher

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    My reply should have said not many malfunctions with the HP Golden and other bulk pack HP bullets and no malfunctions with the round nose bullets in my semi-auto .22's. They are supposed to feed better.

    Rancher
     
  12. Decguns

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    Back in the 1970's, on one of my first rabbit hunting trips, my Dad was shooting HPs and his buddy RNs. Every rabbit my Dad shot didn't go too far, usually dying right where he was hit. Every rabbit his buddy shot ran off and was never recovered. Lesson learned.
     
  13. bustedknee

    bustedknee Curmudgeon

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    Brainshot, yes.

    Jaw shot or glancing skull shot, maybe not.

    Since the HP's are more destructive I use them for head shots and don't worry about losing meat.

    The last thing I want to see is a squirrel run away with a jawbone shot off.

    Squirrels are good people.
     
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  14. PhantomF4E

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    If it's 50 yards or under there's an airgun for that . Stealth is a plus too , your ultimate small game rifle . I love me some .22 lr but if you are legal taking lil'critters with an air rifle give it a go ... I can drop a squirrel with my TX200 .177 better than a lr any day out to 60 yards . The TX is generally not just a headshot but ear , eye, or base of the skull make your choice ! And the rest of the little buggars don't run off after the first shot . They figure ole'nutty had an MI and fell off the tree ....
     
  15. Metal Angel

    Metal Angel

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    I shot many a ground pest growing up with my daisy .177. I don't know how any of them turned out later, but it didnt kill a single one instantly. I would love to have one of those Gamo air rifles that can take a boar down with a headshot. I honestly don't know anything about squirrel hunting. I don't know what's legal and what isn't. I don't know if there is a season for it... Or a limit... Or tags for that matter. Lol. Last time I did it I was too young to know or care if there were laws about it.