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1968 was the break-point-David Kopel WSJ

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by Skyhook, Dec 19, 2012.

  1. Skyhook

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    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...8185271857424036.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

    " Counting only the incidents with at least two casualties, there were 179 such crimes between 1966 and 2010. In the 1980s, there were 18. In the 1990s, there were 54. In the 2000s, there were 87.

    If you count only such crimes in which five or more victims were killed, there were six in the 1980s and 19 in the 2000s."

    What's changed? :headscratch:
     
  2. CMGAdmin

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    First person violent video games in which players are rewarding for the amount of de-humanizing carnage they create. Also the movies and TV shows that we watch.
     


  3. Skyhook

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    I am convinced you are correct in thinking those bloody, violent, "games" introduce and reinforce ugly behavior and/or thinking.

    Children are -by law- forbidden 'porn'.. why is it the glorification of murder and dismemberment is not just allowed, but encouraged?
     
  4. Cause maybe after the draft was over, they had to resort to movies and eventually video games to incite young adults to enlist in the military?
    I don't know, I'm just guessing here.:dunno:
     
  5. engineer151515

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    I never understood that reasoning either.

    Show a topless woman's breast and it's OMG and blurred. I've even seen movies on tv that just digitally removed the nipple.

    But the next scene with beheadings . . no problem.
     
  6. aspartz

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    Welcome to PG-13. All the violence a kid could want, but very limited sexuality, nudity or language. PG-13 is the bane of the modern movie -- it's what started the pattern that every movie had to be action adventure. No adult themes (or plot) allowed, just a great deal of violence.

    ARS
     
  7. Glock!9

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    Does porn cause rape?

    It isnt the games, its that parents let kids do 2 things.
    1. Play games not age appropriate.
    2. Get immersed into a fantasy world by allowing them to play countless hours.
    If it were the games then we would have a lot more killers, trust me...
     
  8. Skyhook

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    No one who has raised a son-- through adolescence-- will need much convincing that there are 'age-specific' activities related to child rearing.
    Anyone recall that study which proved adolescent males' brains turn to mush during the testosterone storm? No, really- the brain cells were actually detected migrating.. no surprise to parents who often find themselves living with a stranger who was once a sweet kid.
     
  9. Glock!9

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    Also, as someone who plays online games, i see how bad the online gaming community is for teens. The internet offers a level of anonymity to these kids to say things they would never do in real life. They can be something they are not...and get introduced to things they would not otherwise.
    I have three kids and they will NOT be playing online games unless supervised.
     
  10. Gunhaver

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    Cool. Those are things I care nothing about. Let the bans begin!
     
  11. pugman

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    I had a feeling someone would jump on the video game band wagon. I'm 43 and heard the same thing from my uncles when my parents bought us an Atari 2600 or I bought a KISS tape (which of course stood for Kids in Satan's Service... really Uncle Bob?). As someone born in 1969, I have lived through the entire transition period.

    I agree there are a lot of games today which show and promote massive amounts of violence; but the real problem goes much deeper and wider than just some kid playing Modern Warfare or Halo. If it didn’t, we would see a CT/CO type of shooting every week.

    Kids today are too thin skinned. I hear about fights at my nephew’s grade school between boys and girls because one of them dissed the other on Facebook? One kid beat up another kid because one had an iPhone and the other “only” had a regular cell phone…really?

    Parent has become less and less of a verb and we as a society hold them less and less accountable.

    My brother is good friends with the husband of the local school nurse. He was told 1 in 20 kids in our local grade school is on some sort of mood altering, antidepressant type of drug. You are 12...what the hell do you have to be depressed about.

    It seems like we have “discovered” more types of mental illness in the past 20 years than we had in the previous 200.

    Role models in society have changed. Remember when kids/young adults wanted to become astronauts, firefighters or police men. I swear this is true: two weekends ago I asked one of my nephew’s friends what he was looking to do for school or what he wanted to become…he told me a vampire….and he was serious.

    You can’t miss the fact our society as a whole (but kids in particular) is becoming less and less physically fit; as the physical part goes so does the mental/self-esteem.

    I have read theories on everything from toxins in our food to solar radiation but I think the real problem is simply we are raising a generation of p******.
     
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  12. CMGAdmin

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    Yeah but there is a big difference between playing "Call of Duty" and the games that used to be on an Atari 2600.
     
  13. certifiedfunds

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    Its pretty simple really. The Progressive movement has gradually torn apart family, church and community.

    The baby boomers put it into overdrive.
     
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  14. pugman

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    I completely agree.

    Halo 3 sold 3.3 million copies in its first 12 days of sale in the U.S. If it was games only we would have hundreds of these mass shootings every year.

    The fact all these shooters play video games may be a common trait but it can't be the cause but I would agree, depending on the person, it could be a contributing factor.

    I would agree I think the fantasy world seems be more and more prevalent every Halloween. I remember when for Trick or Treat I used to see a lot occupation costumes like cowboys, doctors, or what not.

    But to your point....I had one group of young boys all dressed in fatigues...I asked "So what Branch you guys in"...their response...we aren't in the Army...we are the Zombie Slayers from MW2..
     
  15. Stubudd

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    My guess would be the drugs. Psychiatric drugs.
     
  16. jeanderson

    jeanderson Toga!... Toga! Platinum Member

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    Advances in technologies make video games more realistic with every passing year, right down to the anatomically correct exit wounds. It becomes increasingly difficult, for kids who become immersed in these games, to distinguish between the fantasy and reality. My neighbor had to send their kid to counseling - he became absolutely addicted to a video game and was flunking out in school. Fortunately, the kid turned around and is now in college.
     
  17. pugman

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    Studying graphic design?

    VR is a science/technology which will only get better and better...yes, I bet the porn industry will be the first to sign on.
     
  18. Ruble Noon

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    I agree with these two posts.

    It would seem to me that blaming video games for violence is the same as blaming guns for killing.
     
  19. Skyhook

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    Yes; that and the disintegration of family, forbidding meaningful, character-building discipline, and dropping the term 'personal responsibility' from our daily thoughts.

    Males father millions of children every year in this country they cannot afford nor care to raise... the rest of us pay dearly for that as tax payers and victims of crime.:steamed:
     
  20. Stubudd

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    I think it's more like- prescribe by the millions these powerful and often not well understood drugs, and you're bound to have a few cases where some really wild psychoses show up.