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1911 And 200 Gr LSWC

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by Fwdftw, Sep 12, 2011.

  1. Fwdftw

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    Thought these got along? Brother in law has a RIA 1911 5 inch barrel, Last time we went to the range he wanted to try my loads out ( winchester LPP, 5.4gr win231 , and a OAL 1.255 ) wouldnt close the slide... Im guessing OAL .. hes gonna bring his 1911.. What loads would you reccomend for this? thanks fellas!
     
  2. El_Ron1

    El_Ron1 AAAAAAAAGHHH!!!

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  3. Fwdftw

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    no crimp really..im using the seating die to even out the case.. they work great in my MP 45 and fit directly into the barrel make a nice plink sound
     
  4. El_Ron1

    El_Ron1 AAAAAAAAGHHH!!!

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    The MP barrel or the RIA barrel?

    My 1911s require some crimp. For 200 gr LSWC, about .4685 for reliable operation with all of my .45s. OAL max is 1.245 ish.

    You should at least try a taper crimp of .469-.470.
     
  5. Fwdftw

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    the mp barrel takes em and eats em up.. when we loaded a mag of my bullets for his 1911 the slide wouldnt even come close to closing.. lol


    how would i get this crimp using the seating die? do i need to break out the fcd?
     
  6. El_Ron1

    El_Ron1 AAAAAAAAGHHH!!!

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    Christ... I wouldn't know anything about a FCD outside of what I've tried not to read here. Is that the crimp die you've got?

    This should get good now. I think I've seen where there are problems with the FCD and lead. Once upon a time, a pistol die set included a crimp die. Taper for semi auto pistols in general, roll for straight walled revolvers. Then the world went all to hell.

    I would imagine your die set came with instructions. Some Lee FCD jihadis will be along soon. For all I know, the FCD may be your miracle cure.

    But pop that 1911 barrel out and use it as a gauge in your quest. Don't use more bell than necessary either. :beer: :cool:
     
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  7. GioaJack

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    Your seating die has the crimp feature built into the design. Simply run a seated round up into the die all the way, drop the ram a bit, turn the die 1/16 turn at a time until you achieve the crimp you want then tighten the set screw.


    Jack
     
  8. Fwdftw

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    duh its all coming back to me know jack.. thanks. Havent touched the damn dies since steve helped me set em up!
     
  9. El_Ron1

    El_Ron1 AAAAAAAAGHHH!!!

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    Thank God, that was simple. Lee die sets come with 2 crimpers?
     
  10. Fwdftw

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    kinda sorta.. the seating die is a crimping die.. You twist for more crimp and theres a seating stem
     
  11. GioaJack

    GioaJack Conifer Jack

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    To tell you the truth I didn't even think about 4 die sets, (one die for seating and a separate die for crimping.)

    I'm an old guy, I only think in 3 die sets... we learned how to do it the right way. :whistling:


    Jack
     
  12. fredj338

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    So why would you do that? The seating die has a proper taper crimp built into it. Apply a slight tc & you get more reliable ammo.:dunno: Wiht the 4 die sets, one seats & one crimps. ALWAYS taper crimp your semiauot ammo, always. Your ammo will be more reliable.
     
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  13. Fwdftw

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    gah im so damn confused.. i have the lee carbide 4 die 45 acp set.. i use the deprime/resize , powder measure / flare. and the seating die.. the seating die takes the flare out and seats the ammo at 1.255 am i doing something wrong? bc the Mp feeds and shoots it extremly realiably
     
  14. Zombie Steve

    Zombie Steve Decap Pin Killa

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    How much of that swc's shoulder is sticking out of the case? Not to say that crimp isn't important, but I've shot two 200 gr lswc's - one ran fine with a OAL of 1.245", the other (Gioacast) needed to be seated much deeper at 1.185" or it would run into the lands. Just different bullet profiles.

    Your M&P might have more freebore to play with...
     
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  15. Fwdftw

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    steve lemme take a quick picture of the round
     
  16. skyflyer

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    I load 200g lswc at 1.235 you might try going just a little deeper.
     
  17. tjpet

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    Yeah, there should just be a sliver of the bullet's shoulder showing.

    As to crimping - since you're using the seating/crimping die -remember to unscrew the seating stem UP a few turns if you're going to recrimp already loaded rounds. Otherwise when you turn the die body down for more crimp the seating stem will lower, too, seating the bullets deeper as well.
     
  18. RustyFN

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    I shoot a RIA 1911. I seat my LSWC a little deeper and just a little more crimp than taking the flair out. I haven't had any feeding or chambering problems.