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155gr Ranger vs !80gr PDX1

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by mikeyU, Aug 9, 2010.


  1. mikeyU

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    I have been shooting 180gr PDX1 just curious if I would be gaining anything by changing my carry round to Ranger 155gr. I have always thought the heavier bonded bullet was the way to go, just wanted to make sure. Thank you:wavey:
     

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    Cost maybe? Ranger's can probably be found in 50 round boxes at barely more than the 20 round PDX1s.
     

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    Im aware, cost aside. More of the performance factor is what I had in mind. Thank you
     
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    The 155 Ranger's arent the T-series aka Black Talons, They expand nice but dont penetrate very well. I would stick with the PDX1's.
     
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    Most stats point to heavier bullets usually penetrating deeper, and more Ft. lbs. of energy, so I believe most prefer them for that reason. That sounds like a very good reason to me also.

    However, for some reason I have always prefered lighter weight bullets with more velocity whether it be pistol or rifle. I like larger caliber firearms with lighter weight bullets, although that's kind of an oxymoron in itself. For example I CCW a 40 cal with light weight 155's instead of a 9mm with heavy 147's.

    As mentioned earlier the rangers are half price or less than the PDX1. I use the ranger 155 hp's for my practice rounds, they're priced right and have a close POI to my SD rounds which are 155 Winchester silvertip hollow points.
     
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    Almost every test I've seen shows the PDX1 hollowpoint plugging and not expanding with heavy clothing. Here in south Florida we dont have heavy clothing but I would still like to test for myself the PDX1, Ranger T ,165 and 180grs, and GoldDots 165 and 180grs. For now all I have is the GoldDots but would pick up a box of Ranger's if I ever see them.
     
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    What interested you in the 155gr Ranger specifically?
     
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    I carry the Hornady 155 grain XTP in my Glock 22. I like the higher velocity with the 155's and the tough XTP bullet is designed to penetrate deep as well.
     
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    you are correct on the xtp but if i had to use force the ranger t is the one, i read a quote on a report from a autopsey where they referred to the wound as having masacrated flesh, the bullet used ranger t.
     
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    The recoil impulse of the heavier bullet @ 975 fps is nice, and generally less snappy than the lighter bullets @ twelve hundred fps....
     
  11. novaDAK

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    between your two choiced I'd stick with 180gr PDX1. It's the same as the new Ranger Bonded.
     
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    Double post.
     
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    I've not saw the 180gr or 147gr plug, but I've seen most of the others plug.

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    http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=26461&highlight=PDX1

    5 0f 10 180gr .40 Ranger Bonded (same as PDX1) failed to expand after clothing in DOCGKR's testing. Design flaw or quality control issue?

    I'd still probably take 180gr PDX1 given the choice of these 2 options.
     
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    DOJ still chose it over the low bid Gold Dot ammo.
     
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    How do you know GDs were the low bid?
     
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    If I remember his comments, he concluded it was a bad lot and said that in their testing all major manufacturers had at times had bad lots. I'm nearly positive that he has that round on his approved duty round list (going by memory on all of this, and don't have time to go check it out right now).
     
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    I'm guessing the same thing that had me research it a few weeks ago. There are several places on the net selling them for $19.95 for 50 and advertised as excess from a Canadian police order. Combine that with the Ranger name and I jumped to the conclusion that it was part of the Talon series, but at a great price.

    The were/are also selling 135gr Rangers for the same price, and touting it as the round designed and ordered by ICE.

    Fact is that both of these rounds are sub par, which is probably the main reason they are being sold so cheap.
     
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    The "choice" of using either a bonded 180gr JHP or an older style 155gr JHP depends on the perceptions, expectations and desires of the user, at least to some degree.

    The 180gr bonded load is currently favored by one large fed agency, while the 155gr non-bonded, older style JHP was favored by another large fed agency (until their current specs changed to a lighter 135gr JHP load which is loaded a bit slower than some enthusiasts of really light .40's might wish when it comes to the public, commercial market).

    Which agency is "right"?

    Both of them.

    They've each chosen the bullet design/weight load they feel is optimal for the needs of their people, based upon both their experience and testing standards.

    Not exactly a clear cut, definitive "answer" for some folks looking for that "perfect" defensive loading in that caliber, but there it is ...

    I'd imagine there's probably going to be some of that remaining 155gr old-style JHP offering being diverted to the wholesale market for a while, yet. I don't personally care for that bullet weight in .40 S&W, and I'm not interested in bonded loads (although I do like GD's as an optional load), but obviously some folks seem to have a preference for both. That's what keeps ammo companies working to meet expectations and sell ammo. :)
     
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  20. novaDAK

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    That was his conclusion, and you're correct, it is on his list of approved duty rounds.