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147+p hst

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by cowboy1964, Aug 15, 2010.

  1. cowboy1964

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    Anyone try those? Have links to tests? It's only 50 fps more than regular 147 but every little bit helps.

    (and PS, why did GT auto change the title of this thread from +P HST to +p hst??)
     
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  2. ABNAK

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    I bought 3 boxes of the 147gr +P stuff for my beloved Glock 19. As soon as I break in my wife's new Kahr CW9 and let her get accustomed to it I'll get my Glock back. Seems like perhaps the ultimate in 9mm ammo (and I haven't been a big heavy-for-caliber fan).


    I fired a standard pressure 147gr HST from that Kahr CW9 (3.5" barrel) through 4 layers of a bath towel into my pool and it expanded like some of the .40 HST loads---upper .60's. So a +P version from a 4" Glock 19 barrel should do even better!
     

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  3. Little Joe

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    I ran a box through my G17 and found them to be rather soft shooting. I expected a little more umph!


    LJ
     
  4. bentbiker

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    Helps what? Penetrate a windshield or get through 7-8 layers of drywall instead of just 6?
     
  5. cowboy1964

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    Because faster is always better. To a point.
     
  6. Snapper2

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    I run a few through denim into wet packs. Both standard and +Ps. Both opened up around .750 and penetrated deep. I pulled a few bullets and loaded them to 1200fps(vv3n38) trying to separate the jacket from lead. They held together great and expanded to .800. The lead seems to flatten out over the jackets causing less drag on the jacket. Maybe it has something to do with the cannelure but they really hold together like a bonded bullet.
     
  7. pochis

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    this is one of the best 147gr self defense loads. just my opinion:whistling:
     
  8. samuse

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    I put some through my BHP and my G-19. Flawless function. Got a 3" group at 25 yds with the Hi-Power.
     
  9. Ak.Hiker

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    Sounds like the perfect bullet for a hot 357 Sig loading as well.
     
  10. novaDAK

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    vBulletin forums are often configured to disallow thread titles in all caps.
     
  11. sciolist

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    Had this same question myself, as I have a stock of the standard pressure rounds, and now availability only of the +P. Standard's run great in my 19 and 26. A shippment of the +P is due in today; will report back.
     
  12. cmspeedy

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    Have the 147 standard pressures myself and they have impressed in my informal tests. They are my preferred carry load. In the 147 I didn't feel the +P was needed as they already penetrate. In 124g I run the +P.

    You can't go wrong with any of the HST - if you can find it.
     
  13. sciolist

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    I am out of my depth on this, but imagine that agency use of the +P 147 (as opposed to standard 147) is premised on possibility of an intervening assembly between shooter and target (like perhaps a windshield).

    So, as a CHL holder, my question was/is, is the standard load actually better suited to my needs, logic being that if there is an intervening assembly, there is also likely an egress pathway. Whereas with LEO, egress is probably not the objective.
     
  14. grenadier

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    Velocity really isn't that much of a big factor anymore. I really doubt you're going to see much of a difference in terminal performance, when comparing the standard pressure vs. +P 147 grain load.

    Today's premium hollowpoints are designed to open up under a wider range of velocities. I have equal confidence in a standard pressure HST being able to expand, compared to any number of lighter and / or faster loads.
     
  15. sciolist

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    Then, and I mean this sincerely, why do they offer both? Manufacturing two loads in both weights of the 9mm product significantly complicates things. Why not settle on one load per bullet?

    I could understand Federal deciding that +P worked better in 124 and standard better in 147... is this just a matter of appealing to personal/agency preference?
     
  16. Speaking of which, where can I find some of these 147 g +P's online? They area in out in my parts.
     
  17. M&P Shooter

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    sometimes faster causes the bullet to expand to soon causing less expansion. It's about that right balance of weight & velocity:wavey:
     
  18. cmspeedy

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    Bingo - 100% accurate, but how big is the velocity window for HST is the magic question?

    I have driven 180gr 10mm XTP's at 1350fps into wetpack and had them rip apart. They do the same in milk jugs. Expansion just over .5 and weights between 120-140gr recovered - they lose a bunch of the lead core, the copper usually stays on, but overexpands. Slow em down closer to 1200-1250 fps and you get .65 expansion, near 100% weight retention and DEEP penetration. XTP's are tough, but it was outside of it's performance envelope at 1300fps+ in my experience.

    I plan on pulling some 180gr .40 HSTs and loading them in my 10mm. Will they compare with the 9mm performance at higher speeds. I doubt a 180gr HST will stand up to 1350fps, but I am curious. I also want to know how much they will expand. Could we see 1 inch expansion if it performs as the above 9mm at higher speeds did?

    Getting out the 800x now.
     
  19. bjesse60

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    Love to see the results from that 10mm with the HST keep us updated ! :cool:
     
  20. cmspeedy

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    It will be next weekend at least - im preparing for school and I work this weekend. I will post some pics though. I really have my doubts that they will hold up after my experiences with Gold Dots and XTP's. If they hold up I wish they would make the bullets available. By then lead will be banned.