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147 gr feeding issues

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by pant3ra, Sep 19, 2010.

  1. pant3ra

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    I've heard this through the grapevine, and most likely "internet commandos"

    I'm interested to hear if any one has actually experienced or seen any glocks not cycle out 147 grain loads? I've always be intrigued by the 147 gr load, however was turned down by "he said she said" stuff.

    Just looking for opinions out of curiosity, I'm perfectly happy with the load I carry now. Might be useful for me down the road.
     
  2. It runs or has run in all my semi-autos flawlessly.

    One exception. G33 with a LW 9mm conversion barrel. Did not work at all. Would create some weird phase 3 jam and lock up solid. I was not happy, so sold the LW conversion barrel and the G33 and bought a G26.
     


  3. Boxerglocker

    Boxerglocker Jacks #1 Fan

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    No problems in any of my 9mm firearms. The 147g GDHP is my prefered carry load for my G19 and home defense mag for my G34.
     
  4. JimBianchi

    JimBianchi Da Da CLM

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    I've run it for years in several guns with no issues, ever.

    I was told a long time ago that the original 147 ammo was made to shoot in full auto guns and that many of those would jam. I also was told by the same dude that the 147gr ammo was now only for suppressed guns and not suited for daily carry or SD.

    Seems like a pant load to me, I love the stuff and have never had a problem.
     
  5. CanyonMan

    CanyonMan In The Saddle

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    All I shoot out of the 9mm are 147gr loads. I'D say 98% are my own reloads, GS, and XTP's mostly, and the other 2% are factory stuff for testing. I have never one time had any malfunction with 147gr ammo. I carry EDC a M1911 45acp, but when I do carry the 9mm G19, it has 147gr'ers in it. I've not had failures with any other weight either, but I choose the 147gr (mostly XTP) because in all my testing and the test of some very good friends as well, I found it (the 147gr) gives me the penetration I desire, and as I said it functions as flawless as anything else does.

    In case your interested in brands. The test I/we have run have shown XTP's as really top notch. The WW work fantastic as well, as do the bonded 147gr bullets. Gold Dot and Ranger T and the WW PDX1 were really fantastic as well. All these were getting 14"/16" minimum penetration up to 32" + (depending on bullet/media) overall in a bunch of different media tested in. Wet Pack type media and plain water media most all opened up (at least good enough to please me). Through other media such as wood and bone and wall board, and water "together" still the GD and the GS had slight deformation more than the others named here, but all of them hit hard and had fantastic penetration, "and this was the main concern".

    Bottom line. Don't listen to the myth that 147gr 9mil ammo does not cycle well, or does not get the job done. Perhaps there are a few Factory offerings (we did not test) that may be lousy performers, but in the ones listed here, I was very pleased with the performance in the media's used and the flawless cycling. These test were all done through Glock 17 and Glock 19, and there was test run through a 1911 in 38 super using the 147gr as well. And they ran flawless in this gun and performed well in the media as was expected.

    A closing note: Even the WWB of which I have fired tons of (I've lost track how many. ha), has never malfunctioned and got the deepest penetration of all the rest named in this post. That was from the 'factory' offering, but they do just as well when tailored through reloading. The bottom line carry load for me (when this caliber does see carry) is the 147gr XTP "handloaded," and the 147gr WWPDX1 or Ranger bonded in factory offering.

    If you want penetration, you'll like the 147gr in the 9mil.

    Hope something here helps ya. I am a minority with this load, so don't expect folks to come out of the cracks of the walls on CC with their love for the 147gr 9mil. haha. To each his own. ;)


    Good shooting





    CanyonMan
     
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2010
  6. The Retired Sarge

    The Retired Sarge "The Sarge"

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    What the others have said. I shoot a lot of 147gr 9mm out of Glocks, SIGs, and HKs with no problems what so ever. Bill
     
  7. cowboy1964

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  8. bentbiker

    bentbiker NRA Member

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    UMC Leadless is my favorite FMJ practice round, and HST HP's for HD. Never had a single failure with either.
     
  9. I just made my first batch of 147gr rounds, using powder charges ranging from 3.8gr to 5.6gr Unique. All of them perfectly cycled my G19.
     
  10. triggerjerk

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    The only problems I've had with 147 gr were some ftf with the XM HST loads surplus ammo sold about a year ago. These were the grey/navy boxes. The regular HSTs, GDs, and Rangers in 147 have worked 100%in my G19.
     
  11. BleedNOrange

    BleedNOrange Go Vols

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    Did you replace the extractor as well?
     
  12. freakshow10mm

    freakshow10mm 10mm Advocate

    I like the 147gr load in 9mm for carry. I handload the 147gr Gold Dot to about 1,000 fps and call it good. That's about what the Speer load is so I just do it for cheaper. I've also had fun loading the 147gr XTP to an honest 1200fps under SAAMI max pressure.

    The 124gr bullets I use for practice since they are $10/K cheaper than the 147gr, but I load them to match the point of impact/point of aim with the 147gr carry load.
     
  13. sciolist

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    No problems here. I use 115 for range and 147 for carry, so have only shot enough 147 to feel OK about myself and the guns in terms of carry ammo. Probably a total of 200 rounds out of 19 and 26, but no problems at all.
     
  14. pant3ra

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    Kool, thanks for the feedback. I've always been curious on the myth since it's only been a couple years now that I've been introduced to handguns.
     
  15. Snowman92D

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    I suspect you're right.

    The only problem with 147's cycling that I was ever able to confirm was several years back with Chicago PD. For a brief period they experienced an issue with 147-grain jhp Gold Dots...but it was only in the compact and sub-compact service pistols of the day. The problem involved mostly Smith & Wesson handguns. At the time, CPD specifically prohibited Glocks because they were striker-fired.

    CCI/Speer addressed the problem and it was resolved in future lots of ammo. Chicago PD eventually crawled out from under the yoke of the 147-grain loads and now issues 124-grain +P Gold Dots.

    Other agencies, like Cincinnati PD and St. Louis PD, who issued WWB generic 147-grain 9mm jhp's had no problems with cycling in compact and sub-compact service pistols, including the same series of S&W's that Chicago PD used during that time frame.

    Some of the guys here had trouble getting early S&W M&P 9mm compacts to cycle 147-grain HST loads, but eventually that was attributed to a specific lot of ammo. Like CCI/Speer, Federal Cartridge had to work the bugs out of their product. 147-grain bullets are long-bodied, and I suspect that a person wouldn't go wrong by running a few rounds from each new lot through any sub-compact defensive handguns before loading them up for carry. That's good advice for any carry ammo.
     
  16. Jav21

    Jav21 NRA BTW ILA Silver Member

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    I was too lazy to find the exact info but I think the 147 HP gets its extra mass from being a longer bullet which is closer to a FMJ profile than a 124 or 115 HP so it should be more reliable? I don't know for sure.

    Example of FMJ and 147 HP:
    http://forum.pafoa.org/pistols-41/69887-my-taurus-24-7-a.html
     
  17. CanyonMan

    CanyonMan In The Saddle

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    Since its pic time, and I love threads with pics...


    L to R : 147gr WWB. 127gr Ranger +P+. 125gr Gold Dot +P. 124gr GS +P and last, 147gr XTP.

    [​IMG]


    Same order as above pic. different view

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    For your viewing pleasure, or not ! :supergrin:

    The 147gr GD (not shown) The WWB 147gr and the 147gr XTP did the best in all the test run, (and the 147gr PDX1 in about that order)

    The WWB 147gr got the deepest penetration in all media, then the 147gr XTP (hand loaded), then the 147gr PDX1, then the 147gr GD, (about neck and neck.)

    Again, works for me, and I love 'em. (just not as much as the 45 though) Sssshhh ! Don't feel like havin a tag team match on this tonight ! :tongueout:


    Becareful out there amigos !





    CanyonMan
     
  18. pant3ra

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    Thanks Canyonman!

    And we all know if this was a .45, you only would have to nick them in the pinky finger and it will blow their whole arm off while doing multiple backflips. Ask any .45 zealot :rofl::rofl::rofl:

    But if you think that's bad, you should see how 10mm works in a glock....

    [​IMG]
     
  19. Don't know about other brands, but 147gr and 124gr Speer Gold Dots appear to have the same shape except for the base of the bullet.

    In other words, if you seat 124gr and 147gr to the same OAL, the rounds will look identical on the outside (and presumably feed the same).
     
  20. CanyonMan

    CanyonMan In The Saddle

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    Well, everyone on here that knows me, knows my EDC is a M1911 45acp, so I do know your right! Since I am one of those sold out old timer zealots! haha. In fact, I like it cause whenever I just point it at a BG he falls apart like Mr potato head. Parts dropping every where ! :rofl: Saves ammo ! haha.

    As for the 10mm, I loves my two G20's and my nuclear handloads. Working on some right now in fact to use in a new LW barrel I just got. Dang I like 'em all but gotta love a Mr Potato head gun that makes real big holes amigo ! ;) haha.


    Stay safe man.



    CanyonMan