13 rounds in 4.2 seconds - thoughts?

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  1. The-Fly

    The-Fly The Bofh

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    Not a copper here, just a cake eating civilian. But it looked perfectly legit in my eyes.

    Scumbag played a stupid game, and won a stupid prize.
     

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  2. itsnitro

    itsnitro Got Sig?

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    I feel that the suspect getting his foot caught in the seat belt saved the officers life. I love how people treat 20' like it's a mile. 20' is to close for someone with an edged weapon. Completely justified.

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  3. Morris

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    I call it a MSR - minimum standard response (not mine, gleaned from another trainer). You fire as many as NEEDED to stop the threat. For some humans, this is one round, for others, 33 (remember the Calibre Press photo in their first book). How many rounds did Platt & Matix sustain before stopping?

    I hope the city holds against this family but I suspect they will get their money with their attorney taking the lion's share.
     
  4. Cochese

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    God I love you, old man.

    :hearts:
     
  5. Cochese

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    We need to meet up dude.
     
  6. The-Fly

    The-Fly The Bofh

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    Agreed, what shift are you on now?
     
  7. Cochese

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    Crappy swings.

    I have Tues through Thurs off.
     
  8. series1811

    series1811 Enforcerator.
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    The first round is a moral decision. All of the following rounds are tactical decisions.
     
  9. A detective in my dept shot a knife-wielding guy under the old '2 and assess' approach, and the perp, hit both times, kept coming.

    Today he espouses 'shoot until the threat stops.'




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  10. lawman800

    lawman800 Juris Glocktor

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    Swing by here first and get me.
     
  11. CJStudent

    CJStudent Fenced In

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    That's sig-line worthy, and will be stolen momentarily!
     
  12. Dukeboy01

    Dukeboy01 Pretty Ladies!

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    Looks like a good shoot to me. +1 on Beck being a whackjob d-bag half a rung down the crazy ladder from Alex Jones.
     
  13. 4.2 seconds is a moot point. It could have been 2 seconds or 10 seconds, it does not matter. You are either justified or not justified to use deadly force to protect yourself or others.
     
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  14. The-Fly

    The-Fly The Bofh

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    fair enough, we'll work something out.
     
  15. I nominate this for a sticky!
     
  16. crappy shift with crappy days off. Someone loved you.
     
  17. Only until the threat has stopped. Some spiffy lawyer will find some crafty way to make a jury think that 4.2 seconds is long enough to draft a presidential address, let alone long enough to determine if a threat is over.

    As far as I'm concerned, 4.2 seconds is just long enough to engage and begin[/B ]to assess a threat in a dynamic situation. Lets not forget that there are multiple stimuli and potential threats.
     
  18. I suspect expert witnesses may play a part in this one.
     
  19. Kingarthurhk

    Kingarthurhk Isaiah 53:4-9

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    13 shots in 4.2 seconds? Not bad. We sometimes do timed dirlls at the range head to head who can hit plates accurately for time. It is not outside the realm of reason.
     
  20. Are his initials R.B.?

    The only time I ever heard about "3 shots and reassess" was after the Sean Bell incident, where Popeye said that was how cops were trained.
     

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