close

Privacy guaranteed - Your email is not shared with anyone.

13 rounds in 4.2 seconds - thoughts?

Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by Morris, Dec 13, 2012.


  1. The-Fly

    The-Fly
    Expand Collapse
    The Bofh

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2005
    1,350
    0
    Location:
    Colorado
    Not a copper here, just a cake eating civilian. But it looked perfectly legit in my eyes.

    Scumbag played a stupid game, and won a stupid prize.
     

    Wanna kill these ads? We can help!
  2. itsnitro

    itsnitro
    Expand Collapse
    Got Sig?

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2006
    1,399
    0
    Location:
    LA
    I feel that the suspect getting his foot caught in the seat belt saved the officers life. I love how people treat 20' like it's a mile. 20' is to close for someone with an edged weapon. Completely justified.

    posted using Outdoor Hub Campfire
     

    #22 itsnitro, Dec 14, 2012
    Last edited: Dec 14, 2012
  3. Morris

    Morris
    Expand Collapse
    CLM

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2001
    10,487
    337
    Location:
    North of Seattle, South of Canada
    I call it a MSR - minimum standard response (not mine, gleaned from another trainer). You fire as many as NEEDED to stop the threat. For some humans, this is one round, for others, 33 (remember the Calibre Press photo in their first book). How many rounds did Platt & Matix sustain before stopping?

    I hope the city holds against this family but I suspect they will get their money with their attorney taking the lion's share.
     
  4. Cochese

    Cochese
    Expand Collapse
    Most mackinest
    CLM
    1. The JBT's

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2004
    11,906
    756
    Location:
    Unmarked Rustbox
    God I love you, old man.

    :hearts:
     
  5. Cochese

    Cochese
    Expand Collapse
    Most mackinest
    CLM
    1. The JBT's

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2004
    11,906
    756
    Location:
    Unmarked Rustbox
    We need to meet up dude.
     
  6. The-Fly

    The-Fly
    Expand Collapse
    The Bofh

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2005
    1,350
    0
    Location:
    Colorado
    Agreed, what shift are you on now?
     
  7. Cochese

    Cochese
    Expand Collapse
    Most mackinest
    CLM
    1. The JBT's

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2004
    11,906
    756
    Location:
    Unmarked Rustbox
    Crappy swings.

    I have Tues through Thurs off.
     
  8. series1811

    series1811
    Expand Collapse
    Enforcerator.
    CLM

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2003
    11,385
    13
    Location:
    Retired, but not expired.
    The first round is a moral decision. All of the following rounds are tactical decisions.
     
  9. Ducowti

    Ducowti
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2009
    887
    4
    Location:
    NY
    A detective in my dept shot a knife-wielding guy under the old '2 and assess' approach, and the perp, hit both times, kept coming.

    Today he espouses 'shoot until the threat stops.'




    Posted using Outdoor Hub Campfire
     
  10. lawman800

    lawman800
    Expand Collapse
    Juris Glocktor

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2002
    38,378
    15
    Location:
    Out the frying pan & into the fire!
    Swing by here first and get me.
     
  11. CJStudent

    CJStudent
    Expand Collapse
    Fenced In

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2005
    11,050
    44
    Location:
    KY
    That's sig-line worthy, and will be stolen momentarily!
     
  12. Dukeboy01

    Dukeboy01
    Expand Collapse
    Pretty Ladies!

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2000
    2,689
    373
    Location:
    Lexington, KY
    Looks like a good shoot to me. +1 on Beck being a whackjob d-bag half a rung down the crazy ladder from Alex Jones.
     
  13. PBR Sailor

    PBR Sailor
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2004
    449
    0
    Location:
    CONUS
    4.2 seconds is a moot point. It could have been 2 seconds or 10 seconds, it does not matter. You are either justified or not justified to use deadly force to protect yourself or others.
     
    #33 PBR Sailor, Dec 14, 2012
    Last edited: Dec 14, 2012
  14. The-Fly

    The-Fly
    Expand Collapse
    The Bofh

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2005
    1,350
    0
    Location:
    Colorado
    fair enough, we'll work something out.
     
  15. blueiron

    blueiron
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2004
    11,145
    11
    I nominate this for a sticky!
     
  16. spears

    spears
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2009
    178
    0
    crappy shift with crappy days off. Someone loved you.
     
  17. Breadman03

    Breadman03
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2011
    1,801
    5
    Location:
    Luzerne County, PA
    Only until the threat has stopped. Some spiffy lawyer will find some crafty way to make a jury think that 4.2 seconds is long enough to draft a presidential address, let alone long enough to determine if a threat is over.

    As far as I'm concerned, 4.2 seconds is just long enough to engage and begin[/B ]to assess a threat in a dynamic situation. Lets not forget that there are multiple stimuli and potential threats.
     
  18. Vigilant

    Vigilant
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2005
    6,582
    88
    Location:
    Inside the Perimeter
    I suspect expert witnesses may play a part in this one.
     
  19. Kingarthurhk

    Kingarthurhk
    Expand Collapse
    Isaiah 53:4-9

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2010
    7,939
    96
    Location:
    Texas
    13 shots in 4.2 seconds? Not bad. We sometimes do timed dirlls at the range head to head who can hit plates accurately for time. It is not outside the realm of reason.
     
  20. RocPO

    RocPO
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2009
    913
    19
    Location:
    Stacked up on your door
    Are his initials R.B.?

    The only time I ever heard about "3 shots and reassess" was after the Sean Bell incident, where Popeye said that was how cops were trained.