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~$1000-$1200 5" Rail Gun Suggestions... STI/Sig/S&W/SA/Colt...???

Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by awpk03s, Nov 3, 2013.

  1. awpk03s

    awpk03s

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    Hey fellas,

    I'm back on the hunt for a 5" railed 1911. Have about $1000-1200 to spend, and have identified the following potential candidates:
    - STI Duty One 5.0
    - Sig Tacops Traditional Slide
    - S&W E-Series
    - Colt Rail Gun
    - SA MC Operator

    If you have comments or advice on any of these models, please share it! Ultimately, I would prefer that the gun I buy has front strap treatment, and ambi safety (as a lefty), and night sights. I'm indifferent to external/internal extractors, so the Sig and Smith don't bother me. A more durable finish like what's on the Sig or Smith would be nice, but bluing or a bake on finish isn't a deal breaker either.

    New or lightly used is fine.

    I would prefer to not have to replace a bunch (or any) of parts on a new gun, which goes against the Smith (The TS at least, every one I have ever held has been mushy as the mushiest mushy cookie), and the SS and GS would probably go as well.

    The Sigs I have held lately have been very nice, I'm really considering one of those.

    MC Operator would be great if I could find one locally.

    The Colt Rail Guns I have handled did not knock me off my feet, but I'm keeping an open mind.

    Every STI I have held was a nicely built gun. They are hard to find around here, but I know of at least one local shop that stocks them.

    So - what says you? I have no pre justice in this, just looking for thoughts!

    Thanks!
     
  2. glock2740

    glock2740 Gun lover.

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    My Sig Tac Ops has been GREAT and is probably the best 1911 bang for the buck I've ever owned. :cool:

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  3. Tarant

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    If it doesn't have to be a traditional slide other considerations are the Sig 1911R Extreme/Scorpion.
    I had a similar want list and went with the Extreme.

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  4. awpk03s

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    Thanks guys. I am really liking the looks of the Sigs!
     
  5. Ferdinandd

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    Ok, I'm not an authority on 1911's, but I've owned and shot a few. I like my Sig; had it 11 months. Shot it earlier today as a matter of fact. I prefer the looks of the traditional slide, but don't feel strongly about it. No rail for me.

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  6. R0CKETMAN

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    SECONUS in HARD TARGET
  7. awpk03s

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    I will also mention... Whatever gun I choose, is getting a 10-8 flat trigger, as well as the afore mentioned ambi and night sights if not already so equipped.

    The Extreme looks nice, but I'm not sure I could get around the one piece grip/MSH setup.
     
  8. Tarant

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    The Extreme comes stock with a flat trigger, night sights and the grips and msh are not one piece they just have a magazine well.

    And it has ambi-safety.
     
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  9. bill1981

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    My vote is for the colt. I am an admitted colt fan. No personal experience with the rail gun but I love my stainless xse govt model. It's been flawless with lots of different magazines and lots of different ammo.
     
  10. majette

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    had a mc operator. had a rail gun. have a sig blackwater now which is what the tac ops came from.

    traded the mc operator to get a trp operator. then traded that a while later towards a pro. decided to get another railed 1911 and got a rail gun. the rail gun shot fine but the fit and finish of the gun were not up to par compared to the mc operator. over 2k rounds through the mc operator and there was no slop or play in the slide to frame fit, gun stayed nice and tight. at less than half the round count the colt was loosening up noticeably, the edges were sharp, and the poorly fit beavertail had some play. priced close to the mc operator it did not have night sights. it shot ok and was accurate but I was not impressed and traded it away. the sig has been fine through about 1500 rounds, no issues. when I get a gun I run it without cleaning after the first initial one and it started to load sluggishly after about 900 rounds and I went to 1200 until I had to clean it. the mc operator went to 1200 with no issues and I went ahead and cleaned it. I did not try this with the rail gun and just cleaned it every 500rds or so. I rank them as:

    1. mc operator
    2. sig
    3. any other brand with a rail besides taurus
    4. colt rail gun
    5. taurus

    the non traditional slide of the sig is not an issue for me, over time I have gotten 5 different holsters for it, useful for different manner of dress and carry. I think the external extractor is a welcome evolution to the 1911.

    whichever one you decide on the first thing you should do is ditch the stock recoil spring for a 18-20lb one. with proper grip and good form it aids in recoil mitigation and lessens the battering on the gun. here is a pic of my sig blackwater:

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  11. awpk03s

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    Thanks guys! So far I'm leaning towards the Sig or maybe the STI. But I'm also considering just sucking it up or selling something else and going for a Dan Wesson Specialist....
     
  12. 1911shootist

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    I went with the Colt, no regrets.
     
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  13. WeeWilly

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    I bought a SIG 1911 a while back. I agree with the statement that they are the absolute best value in their price range. My Stainless Target shoots as well as a few of my guns that cost 3x. It has been a flawless function gun, regardless of bullet profile.

    For the next step up, I have had great luck with Ed Brown's guns. Another good option in that class is Les Baer. I would buy a Brown or Baer gun without hesitation.

    I am not a light rail guy so I can't opine on the options in this area with 1911's.
     
  14. chrisbritt15

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    Another not on the list you may consider is a stainless Dan Wesson specialist I'm fixing to add on to my collection. Super sweet guns
     
  15. RetailNinja

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    If the gun is going to stay dry, Stainless Colt Rail Gun or Stainless Dan Wesson Specialist.

    If the gun is going to get wet, MC Operator, Kimber Warrior, TRP Operator or black Dan Wesson Specialist.

    Unless someone is a member of rainbow 6, Sig is probably too tactical and op oriented, or extremely dangerous, for civilian use.
     
  16. awdxtc

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    Care to explain? I don't see how it could be more dangerous than any thing else. Guns are safe, people are dangerous.
     
  17. Tarant

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    Yes please do, I'm curious as to what features are make the "Sig too tactical and op oriented, or extremely dangerous, for civilian use." I have a hard time believing that a non traditional slide and an external extractor make it so.
     
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  18. fnfalman

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    The Colt Rail Gun (stupid name) is the new USMC SOC pistol without the diarrhea cerrakote color.
     
  19. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    Just look at the various SIG models' names: Extreme, Nightmare, Spartan/Molon Labe, Blackwater, ad infinitum.

    These guns are made for use only by badass MOFOs. Regular joes need not apply.

    Or for well dressed homosexuals with the rainbow finish and smooth contour.