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$1,000 (+/- $100) to Spend on ACOG - Which to Choose?

Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by MikeinCincy, Dec 31, 2010.

  1. MikeinCincy

    MikeinCincy

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    Bought my first AR the other day...a Colt LE6940. The shop I orderd it through will have it sometime next week for me to pick up. In the mean time, I am trying to figure out what optics to purchase. My budget is roughly $1,000 give or take $100 or so and I want a Trijicon ACOG. Sooo, what would you guys choose? I am relatively new (obviously) to AR's and even more so to optics. So, any and all recommendations are greatly appreciated.

    The Trijicon ACOG 3x30 TA33 looks good. But, I am not sure if spending maybe $100 more might be a better deal? Also, what is preferred in terms of amber/red/chevron reticle or dual illuminated red horseshoe/dot? Sorry for being such a noob. Your guys' help will go a long way.

    Thanks in advance.

    -Mike
     
  2. AK_Stick

    AK_Stick AAAMAD

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    Having used both a bunch of ACOG's I can safely say there are only two I would buy.


    Firstly, in your price range, is the TA-31H. Larue sells it in your price range, with their excellent mount for 1,163. This would be my second choice, it has dual illumination, and the horse shoe reticle I like, as well as the additional ranging stradia for distance estimation.

    If you could cough up an extra 200, or wait another month or so, the Marine RCO M-4 is IMO the best of the bunch, with the ranging stradia, dual illumination, and the chevron reticle that is great for targets out to 300m without thought.

    As for a mount I would run either the GG&G accucam, or the Larue mounts.

    If I could, I would be running one of those two here. Alas, I'm restricted to a red dot.
     


  3. boomhower

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    I vote none. Learn to shoot proficiently with irons first. In the meantime save a bit more and have your pick of the litter.
     
  4. AK_Stick

    AK_Stick AAAMAD

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    as long as you understand the irons, and can shoot with them if need be, I'd skip doing any real shooting with them. Just go straight to the optics.
     
  5. MikeinCincy

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    Thanks for the help guys. I will certainly train with the irons before I use the optics, but, I still want to buy one. So, I will probably purchase the TA-31H like AK-Stick recommends. It is within my price range, available on Optics Planet, and it comes with a flat-top mount, which I am assuming is what I will need to mount on my LE6940.
     
  6. AK_Stick

    AK_Stick AAAMAD

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    I would order it from larue tactical long before I went through OP..


    I've head some true horror stories about dealing with them. Not to mention, the trijicon flat top mount sucks. Very easy to knock loose, and is not a return to zero. For 1163, you can have a solid optic, mount, and return to zero ability, should you take it off your rifle for whatever.
     
  7. glock22357

    glock22357 Got Ammo???

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    I would suggest that you check out all of the different models and different reticles. While AK likes the horse-shoe reticle, you may find you want something different. The TA31CH has an illuminated cross-hair and bullet-drop compensating reticle, and that's what I would suggest. You also need to educate yourself on the BAC, or Bindon Aiming Concept, although if your purchase a BAC ACOG, it doesn't mean you have to use the BAC.

    Be sure you know what you are buying, and all of the different models offered, before you purchase.
     
  8. FatBoy

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    I have two ACOGs. I have a TA11D (red triangle) and a TA33-9 (amber chevron). I like the red triangle better. I bought the 33 w/o seeing one. My eyes see the red better, YMMV. I really like the idea of the "horseshoe", but I haven't seen one in person. My advice is to look at them before you buy to see which color your eyes see better.

    FB
     
  9. MikeinCincy

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    Pardon my ignorance, but, what do you mean when you say "return to zero"? :dunno:
     
  10. NeverMore1701

    NeverMore1701 Fear no Evil Platinum Member

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    Means that if you take it off the gun, when you put it back on you won't have to re-zero it.
     
  11. MikeinCincy

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    Ahh, gotcha. Makes sense. I have noticed as well that Larue sells the TA31H cheaper than Optics Planet (even with the Larue mount). Kinda sounds like a no brainer than to me to purchase it from Larue, eh? I have just never dealt with this Larue company and have always had good experiences with Optics Planet.
     
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  12. NeverMore1701

    NeverMore1701 Fear no Evil Platinum Member

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    Can't possibly go wrong with LaRue.
     
  13. MikeinCincy

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    Awesome. Sounds like that's the route I'll take. Thanks for the help guys! :wavey:
     
  14. MikeinCincy

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    Wait, one last thing. When I go to add the scope to my basket on Larue's website, it asks you to select either:

    "LEVER MOUNT"
    or
    "VFZ MOUNT"


    Not too sure what to select here for my Colt LE6940 (monolithic rail, if that makes a difference). I hate being so helpless, but, I am seriously new to this.
     
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  15. NeverMore1701

    NeverMore1701 Fear no Evil Platinum Member

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    Lever. The VFZ is ok, but not in the same class IMO. Just a different way of securing the mount to the rail.
     
  16. MikeinCincy

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    Perfect. Thanks a ton! Happy New Years! :cool:
     
  17. Broncovan

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    This!

    I much prefer my TA31F to my buddies TA31 w/doughnut reticle. Since you have the opportunity to get any reticle you want, look at all of them and get the one you like the most.

    I like the Chevron for a couple reasons.

    The tip makes a good zero point for 100 yards.

    The bottom of the chevron is equal to 19" @ 300 yards.. 19" is the average width of a male torso so it aids in ranging targets if you know what width various items are.

    The only thing I don't care much for is the short eye relief. I've gotten bumped a couple times, but not hard enough to do any damage. It does remind you to maintain good basic shooting techniques though!

    Oh, and get the LaRue mount! They offer the QD lever model as well as a new less expensive VZF mount if you don't require a quick removal option. I have the lever model on mine, mostly because I'm lazy and if I want it off, it only takes seconds and the return to zero is amazing.

    I love my ACOG and wouldn't have any other sight on my 18" middy, period.
     
  18. lawman800

    lawman800 Juris Glocktor

    The red reticle really "pops" in daylight. It was amazing how awesome it was. Get the triple illumination reticle with tritium, fiber optic, and battery backup.
     
  19. MrMurphy

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    The only reason the VFZ was developed is there are some people who just do NOT want the lever option, and it costs a little bit less.

    Get the lever.

    Call in, and ask for Tyler or Alfred. Both have used ACOGs on the 2-way range as far as I can remember.
     
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  20. Deployment Solu

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    TA01B. My intermediate range .308 ACOG. I do need the better mount though!!!