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GLOCK G36 - Yes, it's a GLOCK!

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#1 ·
6+1 .45 ACP trumps 6+1 9mm Euro, and Thin is a win for CC/IWB.

...but haters gotta hate.

Thin, Light Weight, Compact, Reliable, .45 ACP - GLOCK G36.

Yes, it's a GLOCK.



Have Two, Had Three, shoot Five regularly - Zero (0.0) operational malfunctions of Any Kind after Thousands of rounds.

They are GLOCKs.

And, being a light weight, compact .45 ACP, are even more prone to malfunction due to Shooter Incompetence.


Yes, 6+1 - just like the beloved li'i G43 GLOCK.

Practice Tactical Reloading until you can do it in your sleep, at 03:00, in your Chuck Norris jammmies,

...and always carry a spare mag.




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#117 ·
Ok Nutter. Sense you revived the thread, I have a confession to make. Over Christmas, my wife gave me money to buy a G41 for USPSA Limmited 10. I went out to get one. Came back with a G42. I just couldn't leave my G36 home on game days. I came out of the 2016 season very pleased with how I did. I'm going into 2017 and sticking with the G36. I got the G42 because I've encountered times when I wanted a very concealable pistol, and didn't have one. I will even give it a try on a few non-USPSA matches this year. Otherwise my G36 is my main carry.
 
#118 · (Edited)
Ok Nutter. Sense you revived the thread, I have a confession to make. Over Christmas, my wife gave me money to buy a G41 for USPSA Limmited 10. I went out to get one. Came back with a G42. I just couldn't leave my G36 home on game days. I came out of the 2016 season very pleased with how I did. I'm going into 2017 and sticking with the G36. I got the G42 because I've encountered times when I wanted a very concealable pistol, and didn't have one. I will even give it a try on a few non-USPSA matches this year. Otherwise my G36 is my main carry.
Carry what you shoot best. Nice to hear it's a G36.

I really like mine.

Range buddy has a G41, and as much as I can appreciate it, it is just a little too fat in da ass for my med. sized hands.

Might look into a G35/.40 though, as a companion to my beloved G23.4.
(although I got a 5.3" LWD .357SIG Bbl for it... Sweet.)


are you seriously trying to say the bad guy wouldn't drop with the same amount of 9mm hitting him?
Is that what I said?

Placement -> Penetration -> Disruption.

The thug in the above vid was armed with Two(2) pistols... probably 9mm, maybe Thirty(30) rounds of ammo.

...How did that work out for him?

I like the .45 ACP for a lot of reasons, including the GLOCK G36 pistol that's chambered for it.

Do I have a smaller, 9mm pistol, for occasions when the G36 just doesn't fit?

Yes, and it's a 6+1 as well, loaded with heavy, subsonic ammo, too.

Would I like a G36 chambered in .40?

Sure would, and loaded with heavy, subsonic rounds as well.

Placement -> Penetration -> Disruption.

The .45 ACP has adequate penetration and improved disruption.

As for Placement?

GLOCK G36/.45 ACP/230 gr. ball/Ten Yards/
Five Rounds/Five Seconds/One handed/from a low-ready.




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#119 ·
Your first hit or your last hit does not determine the outcome of a selfdefense situation. I have seen multiple instance when badguy gets hit multiple times and still fighting. The fbi, has a guy hit 12 times with 45auto a still fought, and is alive today. Lots of myths out there. I do carry a 36 sometimes.
 
#121 ·
I'm sure that's the way you feel about it.

:supergrin:

GLOCK G36/.45 ACP/230 gr. ball/Ten Yards/
Five Rounds/Five Seconds/One handed/from a low-ready.

A Center-mass hit, followed by a high-center four-round/ 1-1/2" group?

...works for me.




Nutter
 
#123 ·
That is shooting at the range. Totally different that a real confratation. The best controlled example would be force on force training with the paint sim-rounds. Better start practicing your John Wick CAR impressions.
 
#124 · (Edited)
Thank you for your omnipotent and clairvoyant gibberish.

This thug was armed with Two(2) pistols,
probably 9mm, maybe Thirty(30) rounds of ammo.

The Store owner had a 7-round .45 ACP.
Never been in a gunfight.

...How did that work out for them?

This is good SD training.

Although I use a tactical reload, so there is no need to fumble around on the ground.





Nutter
 
#125 ·
Shot placement. Shot placement. Shot placement.

Go to an inner city emergency room and ask the trauma surgeons if they can't tell the difference between a 9mm and 45acp. They can't. They just know if it was an FMJ or JHP.
 
#126 ·
Shot placement. Shot placement. Shot placement.

Go to an inner city emergency room and ask the trauma surgeons if they can't tell the difference between a 9mm and 45acp. They can't. They just know if it was an FMJ or JHP.
Not as interested in the doctor's confusion as much as which one stopped the fight the quickest and the most reliably.

If GLOCK made a G36 in a 4" Bbl'ed 9mm? That would be awesome with 147 gr. HST.

They don't.

And I've been buggin' Uncle Gaston to make one in a 4" Bbl'ed .40, which I consider would be the best CC GLOCK bar none.

He has been reluctant.

So, .45 ACP and the GLOCK G36, with Rhinoplasty, it is.


Best of Breed.




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#127 ·
So all of sudden you're more intelligent that people that understand the human body and saves lives with that knowledge? k

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?4328-Basic-Wound-Ballistic-Terminal-Performance-Facts

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?4337-Service-Caliber-Handgun-Duty-and-Self-Defense-Ammo

In the last decade or so, ammo engineers have produced a superb generation of 9 mm projectiles that offer penetration in the ideal range and that are capable of good performance after common intermediate barriers. As many agencies are discovering, modern robust expanding, barrier blind 9 mm ammunition is performing on par with larger caliber handgun loads, but offers substantial fiscal and training benefits. In test after test, most officers demonstrate a higher qualification score when shooting 9 mm compared to other common service calibers. Smaller statured officers and those with small hands tend to shoot better with 9 mm. Service pistols tend to be more durable in 9 mm than those in 357 Sig and .40 S&W. In a time of fiscal austerity, 9 mm ammunition is certainly less expensive. For most LE duties, there are a lot of advantages in carrying a 9 mm: easy to shoot-- especially one handed, relatively inexpensive to practice with, lots of bullets immediately on tap. When I injured my strong hand a few years ago and lost its use for several months, I found out how much more effective I was using a G19 weak handed compared to a .45 Auto 1911. I suspect in the near future many LE agencies will shift back to 9 mm given the benefits noted above.

http://soldiersystems.net/2014/09/25/fbi-9mm-justification-fbi-training-division/

FBI Training Division: FBI Academy, Quantico, VA

Executive Summary of Justification for Law Enforcement Partners

• Caliber debates have existed in law enforcement for decades

• Most of what is “common knowledge” with ammunition and its effects on the human target are rooted in myth and folklore

• Projectiles are what ultimately wound our adversaries and the projectile needs to be the basis for the discussion on what “caliber” is best

• In all the major law enforcement calibers there exist projectiles which have a high likelihood of failing LEO’s in a shooting incident and there are projectiles which have a high ting incident likelihood of succeeding for LEO’s in a shooting incident

• Handgun stopping power is simply a myth

• The single most important factor in effectively wounding a human target is to have penetration to a scientifically valid depth (FBI uses 12” – 18”)

• LEO’s miss between 70 – 80 percent of the shots fired during a shooting incident

• Contemporary projectiles (since 2007) have dramatically increased the terminal effectiveness of many premium line law enforcement projectiles (emphasis on the 9mm Luger offerings)

• 9mm Luger now offers select projectiles which are, under identical testing conditions, I outperforming most of the premium line .40 S&W and .45 Auto projectiles tested by the FBI

• 9mm Luger offers higher magazine capacities, less recoil, lower cost (both in ammunition and wear on the weapons) and higher functional reliability rates (in FBI weapons)

• The majority of FBI shooters are both FASTER in shot strings fired and more ACCURATE with shooting a 9mm Luger vs shooting a .40 S&W (similar sized weapons)

• There is little to no noticeable difference in the wound tracks between premium line law Auto enforcement projectiles from 9mm Luger through the .45 Auto

• Given contemporary bullet construction, LEO’s can field (with proper bullet selection) 9mm Lugers with all of the terminal performance potential of any other law enforcement pistol caliber with none of the disadvantages present with the “larger” calibers
 
#128 · (Edited)
Forensics doesn't tell you when the fight stopped.

A good hit with a 9mm may be as good as a 230 gr. .45 ACP, but in any other hit, the 230 gr. .45 ACP is better than any 9mm.

As for the FBI?

They are selling an idea the makes them look less stupid and incompetent, because they are arming all their personnel, and require them to qualify as field agents.

Remember this?



Ha.




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#145 ·
A lot of flat-earthers in here. Maybe this guy can explain how the body works and what bullets do to it.
 
#146 ·
Found the trauma surgeon speaking on gun wounds. In there he talks about how devastating rifle wounds are and how ineffective handguns are unless you have proper shot placement (75% of firearm assaults are with handguns, only 1 out of 7 people shot, regardless of gun type but mostly handguns, die). From the horse's mouth.

This is VERY NSFW, gore and death. Watch at your own discretion.
 
#149 ·
Equal penetration? When does that happen across calibers? I can understand equal shot placement but penetration is variable. If you look at the Lucky Gunner JHP tests using HST the 9 and 40 was pushing the 18" limit and the 45s were coming about 14.5".

You also have to think about how many shots are on target. 9 has less recoil which in a SHTF situation will be easier to shoot no matter how good of shot you are. Also, in an equally sized pistol 9 gives you more chances to miss before you're screwed.
 
#150 ·
Straw man argument. I shoot my G36 fast and level. I have sever choices to carry. I choose the G36 because I am good, and fast with it. If ever I found myself in need of a firearm, I would choose my G36 over my G17. I'm better with it. When I have the time I will post the formula of surface damage of a 9mm vs .45 acp. Don't have time now. It would in effect, use your own argument against you. I have no problem with the 9mm. A good choice. However, by your own argument, its not the best choice. Shoot what you are good with.
 
#151 ·
Dear Flat-Eather,

It is not. 9mm has less recoil and more capacity in an equally sized firearm. This is a fact.

So all of sudden you're more intelligent that people that understand the human body and saves lives with that knowledge? k

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?4328-Basic-Wound-Ballistic-Terminal-Performance-Facts

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?4337-Service-Caliber-Handgun-Duty-and-Self-Defense-Ammo

In the last decade or so, ammo engineers have produced a superb generation of 9 mm projectiles that offer penetration in the ideal range and that are capable of good performance after common intermediate barriers. As many agencies are discovering, modern robust expanding, barrier blind 9 mm ammunition is performing on par with larger caliber handgun loads, but offers substantial fiscal and training benefits. In test after test, most officers demonstrate a higher qualification score when shooting 9 mm compared to other common service calibers. Smaller statured officers and those with small hands tend to shoot better with 9 mm. Service pistols tend to be more durable in 9 mm than those in 357 Sig and .40 S&W. In a time of fiscal austerity, 9 mm ammunition is certainly less expensive. For most LE duties, there are a lot of advantages in carrying a 9 mm: easy to shoot-- especially one handed, relatively inexpensive to practice with, lots of bullets immediately on tap. When I injured my strong hand a few years ago and lost its use for several months, I found out how much more effective I was using a G19 weak handed compared to a .45 Auto 1911. I suspect in the near future many LE agencies will shift back to 9 mm given the benefits noted above.

http://soldiersystems.net/2014/09/25/fbi-9mm-justification-fbi-training-division/

FBI Training Division: FBI Academy, Quantico, VA

Executive Summary of Justification for Law Enforcement Partners

• Caliber debates have existed in law enforcement for decades

• Most of what is “common knowledge” with ammunition and its effects on the human target are rooted in myth and folklore

• Projectiles are what ultimately wound our adversaries and the projectile needs to be the basis for the discussion on what “caliber” is best

• In all the major law enforcement calibers there exist projectiles which have a high likelihood of failing LEO’s in a shooting incident and there are projectiles which have a high ting incident likelihood of succeeding for LEO’s in a shooting incident

• Handgun stopping power is simply a myth

• The single most important factor in effectively wounding a human target is to have penetration to a scientifically valid depth (FBI uses 12” – 18”)

• LEO’s miss between 70 – 80 percent of the shots fired during a shooting incident

• Contemporary projectiles (since 2007) have dramatically increased the terminal effectiveness of many premium line law enforcement projectiles (emphasis on the 9mm Luger offerings)

• 9mm Luger now offers select projectiles which are, under identical testing conditions, I outperforming most of the premium line .40 S&W and .45 Auto projectiles tested by the FBI

• 9mm Luger offers higher magazine capacities, less recoil, lower cost (both in ammunition and wear on the weapons) and higher functional reliability rates (in FBI weapons)

• The majority of FBI shooters are both FASTER in shot strings fired and more ACCURATE with shooting a 9mm Luger vs shooting a .40 S&W (similar sized weapons)

• There is little to no noticeable difference in the wound tracks between premium line law Auto enforcement projectiles from 9mm Luger through the .45 Auto

• Given contemporary bullet construction, LEO’s can field (with proper bullet selection) 9mm Lugers with all of the terminal performance potential of any other law enforcement pistol caliber with none of the disadvantages present with the “larger” calibers
 
#153 ·
Bla, bla, bla. There is a point where you stop pulling the trigger. Does that occur at two rounds or ten rounds? Any way you look at it, your own argument works against you. A larger caliber is best. Unless you do better with a smaller caliber. In the end, this is not a caliber war, but an ability to handle the firearm you bring to the fight.
 
#156 ·
The point I'm making is that there is such a small difference in wounding between a 9 and 45 the extra capacity and more controllability of the 9 makes it a more optimal handgun round for self defense. If you are going to talk about round-per-round what is best, get a 10mm.

How many innocent bystanders need to get shot so that you have more chances to stop the person trying to kill you?
Not everyone is a NYC police officer.
 
#166 ·
Several I saw dragged out at tunnel areas in Chu Pong hit with ball had nothing to say either way about the ammo, neither did the one in the red shirt at Idrang base camp with the big knife with the make shift bamboo vest. They were at peace without a word every time we flew in.
 
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