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best .40 load for hogs

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#1 ·
hi everyone, i know my question could seem weird and i already checked others similar threads, but i haven't still found the informations/opinions i'm looking for.
i know .40 is not the best round for big games and i wouldn't use it as an hunting load, but only for self defense against boars (where i live they are pretty big and very aggressive and the vegetation is dense). i decided to go with a compact glock and the 2 calibers i considered are 9mm and .40 (i don't care for the 45 acp or 357sig). a compact 10mm glock would have been perfect but such a model doesn't exists (the 29 is too snappy and i don't like the size/capacity). so the contenders are a g23 and a g19: i think the g23 would be better with her advantage in ft/lbs of energy. in my country the selection of ammunition is pretty poor so i have to decide between a "standard" 180 grains fmj and an interesting fiocchi's load, called "blach mamba", wich use a 135 grains fmjtc projectile travelling at 1330 ft/sec with an energy of 530 ft/lbs. which load would you use and why? (i do not consider hp or jhp because they are banned here and because their lack of penetration). thank you in advance and forgive my bad english!
 
#133 ·
Simone: When you get bored hunting the hogs with your .40 pistola, see if you can "borrow" a friend's 10mm for some real challenging hunting - like going after water buffalo in Africa.

Razor Dobbs took down this big Buff with his 10mm DW Razorback loaded with DT's 200gn WFNGC solid (@ 1300fps/750fpe). Not something I'd try personally since I have a .375H&H rifle for dangerous game like that, but it demonstrates what the 10mm cartridge can do when loaded properly.



:laughabove: :perfect10:
thats what i carry in my g20 for hogs and black bear
 
#134 ·
Hi:
I would chose the Glock Model 23 with 180 grain FMJ. With a wild hog penetration is more important than expansion.
Frontal head shot is not always best due to the heavy bone structure and the shape of the skull. I would use Glock Model 22 magazines for more capacity.
 
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#143 ·
Thought the picture was crystal clear?
4 inch 44 Mag is my woods gun.
That is my suggestion.
The 310 gr hammerheads may be excessive for hogs. But that's the beauty of a 44. You can load it to handle just about anything. I've got Speer 200 gr GDHP Short Barrel for people.
38 Oz gun is easy to carry, fast into action and can have power at close range something like a 30 30 carbine.

That's why it's called a Mountain Gun :supergrin:
I have more that thirty magnum revolvers and think that
if I could find a good deal on one of them S&W Mountain
Guns I may get one.
 
#145 ·
I don't know why, but I have always wanted one of the 329PD. I probably wouldn;t like shooting it as much as my 4" steel guns, but always interested me as a backpacking gun. carry a lot, shoot a little.:scared:
 
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#144 ·
Yes, that's true.

And that's why the G20 and the G29 have become so popular among those in the U.S. shooting community who love "caliber diversity." Glock makes it easy. Start with one of their 10mm pistols and you just add barrels from there.

The only caveat here is that aftermarket barrel makers are still catching-up with the latest Glock 10mm, the 6" G40 MOS.

So, for example, dropping a 6.2" 9x25mm Dillon barrel into the G40 (maybe ported as well) would result in sending the ballistics of that cartridge into Star Trek phazer territory.

Aside from the fact that that would finally put a HUGE pair of much-needed nads on the 9-minimeter, :upeyes: ... a 9x25mm G40 would make Mr. Spock drool, at which point he would promptly make it his EDC/duty gun.
ahahah ok i understand
 
#150 ·
Do You Think BEAR SPRAY Would Work On A HOG?
It does, and other animals, as well. If I were big cat hunting, I'd definitely have bear spray as a gun BU.

Anyone that uses bear spray to fend off a hog and you have dogs near by, do not spray the dogs. Not only could they get injured by a hard headed hog, they will be useless to hunt with for a few days.
 
#153 ·
* * * I just deal in lead only, no spray[.]
Same here.

Just shoot the frickin' pig and stop all this pansey-ass, p*ssy-footing-around-with-pepper-spray bullsh*t.

Just don't shoot the dog if someone brings one to the hunt. That's happened before in the panic of the melee where a trapped or wounded hog is running around squealing and charging you, and the dog gets in the middle of it.

The animal-rights dippy-dos go nutzo if a dog gets shot during a hog hunt (even accidentally).
 
#157 ·
Just shoot the frickin' pig and stop all this pansey-ass, p*ssy-footing-around-with-pepper-spray bullsh*t.
Not everyone can or will shoot a gun. Pepper spray can keep you from getting gored. This past Easter, we had a hog tied up in my buddy's air boat and it got loose, thanks to my doofus brother not knowing how to tie a knot. We pepper sprayed the you know what out of it so we could tie it back up. No shooting or killing and no one got hurt. eta - and no bullet holes in the boat to fix.
 
#154 ·
Huh? :upeyes:

Huge difference, dudenal. 40s would blow up with 220gn hard casts @ 1200fps or 200gn FMJ @ 1270fps.

You need to know what you're talking about to participate in the conversation.

Just sayin'. :whistling:
I've got no issue with the 10mm, but some of the things you post don't make much sense. I know you have great affection for the 10mm, that's putting it lightly, but you act like the 10mm is the only cartridge available in a Glock (or 1911) that can kill deer or hog. I understand the 10mm is powerful and I've loaded 10mm so hot I've even had 10mm guys tell me I should back off a bit, and I know what the .40 can do as well and I'm telling you there isn't a huge difference, there's not even a big difference, not even kind of.
 
#155 ·
I've killed plenty with 45 acp, never a problem as long as I do my job. Knowing the anatomy always helps in anything you're shooting. I've actually killed plenty of breathing things with 45 acp, the largest thing was a 2400 pound bull that needed to be put down but could not get real close to him. (Wasn't sick or injured, just hell bent on killing anything he could)
I kept his skull, the entry/splintering of his skull was pretty amazing, entry was about the size of a quarter and exited at his left shoulder..He gave about two kicks and was gone within seconds.
 
#163 · (Edited)
185gr .40 bullet? Is it lead because yeah you can get a little more speed from a lead vs jacketed bullet but usually not a LOT more. If your LW G29 barrel is anywhere close to stock length, you won't be getting too much more than 1300, that's very warm for a 10mm even from a 5" barrel.

I completely get trying to wring the most from a cartridge in your gun, but there's also a point where realistically you're not gaining much, if any, terminal performance, you might even be losing since you have to take into consideration that the 10mm relies on largely .40 S&W designed bullets and even the tough ones have limits. Pushing a bullet faster to gain a few more ft-lbs can cause it to exceed it's design limits and what happens then is penetration suffers... not good. Penetration is more important in handgun performance than energy is, especially in the field.

So slowing down can be of benefit, although this isn't always the case but it very much is a thing. When you increase velocity, terminal performance doesn't continue to increase at the same rate, it's not linear, it falls off once you've surpassed the bullets design limits. I suspect much of the warm 10mm loads people think are, or would, perform great might turn out disappointing.
 
#165 ·
Very rudimentary example here but this is what I suspect will happen when you load the .40 or 10mm increasingly warmer and warmer, you'll get an increase in performance at first, mainly with the tougher JHP bullets (XTP, Gold Dot) but the more you push it the less penetration you'll get. Weaker JHP designs probably won't gain anything at this point.

You'll get back to factory load levels of penetration with tougher bullets the more you push them and then you'll start getting even less because the bullet is so compromised at that point that it's just breaking apart and penetration really suffers. Sure you might feel good because you've got better energy figures but the actual performance suffers because you can't destroy vitals that you can't reach.

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My point is pretty simple, and again nothing against the 10mm, but when you can get the most out of any .400" JHP at warm .40 levels, there's not a real clear advantage that the 10mm has, and it could be argued that there's no advantage whatsoever.
 
#164 ·
Ok .... I know im a little late to the party but i carry a fourty g23 pretty much all the time so it is offten with me hunting as well . I live in flordia an have some property we hunt that has a huge pig problem !! I have been charged one time i jumped up into a small pine the pig passed an i shot him right behind the shoulder with 180 grain fedaral hst an that was that !! Fortey is fine round for pig hunting i know alot of people who carry them pig hunting with success ! Alot of this thread is over thought !!! Imo ..in flordia there is very little fat content on animals beccause its always so freakin hot ,if i live up north were there was i would feel the need for something with a little more penatration maybe a 20 or a buddie of mine just got a 454 casull ! An let me tell you thats a sweet little shooter !! For me fourty is perfect for alot of things i would never deer hunt with it but as a back up pig gun its fine . Pigs are tough animals to kill shot placment is everything with proper shot placement you can Harvest them ethically !! Even with a little 22 mag !! Yea thats right we do it all the time !! Hit them right behind the ear an it a dirt nap for mr.porkey !!
 
#169 · (Edited)
I have never hunted hogs from an air boat either,

In around eight days I will be leaving Idaho and be in North Fort Myers.
We weren't actually hunting from the boat. It's just another way to get around Lake Okeechobee, which is hog heaven. Send me a PM when you get here. Maybe we can arrange an afternoon and get one or two.
 
#170 ·
Ok .... I know im a little late to the party but i carry a fourty g23 pretty much all the time so it is offten with me hunting as well . I live in flordia
I've said it more times than I can count, but my son is a part time guide for a service not far from here in PC. He and a couple other guys, there, carry G23's. And yes...feral pigs are becoming a pretty good nuisance in some areas, here. I've gone on a few culls over the last 2 yrs out east of Arcadia and into Avon Park and Okeechobee. There are hundreds and hundreds of these bastards running around. We have an orange grove in Nocatee and they're tearing up our irrigation conduit. Got no idea where they're coming from. We use .17 HMR's on them 'cause of the neighbors. It's why I say you don't need a hot 10mm. .17 HMR just behind the eye and it's down for the count.
 
#173 · (Edited)
* * * It's why I say you don't need a hot 10mm. .17 HMR just behind the eye and it's down for the count.
Frankly, you don't need a G23 at all if your hogs down there can be dispatched so easily with 10mm/.40-cal bullets traveling @ watered-down 40-level ballistics.

You just simply take your 10mm Glock 20, remove the 10mm barrel and drop in one of the .40S&W aftermarket tubes from KKM, LWD, Jarvis, Storm Lake, etc. Then you can pop those midget piggy-wiggies with one of the standard .40 weenie loads.

You'll get less "snappified" recoil off the larger G20/G21-sized frame, not to mention better accuracy from the Match-grade tube (with fully-supported chamber, I might add - always a bit of good caution with anything in chambered in the kaboom!-prone .40S&W.)

Now, when there's bigger stuff afoot - like zombie mega-hogs, black or brown bruins, or the aforesaid African water buffalo that Razor Dobbs shot - well, you just restore your G20 to its proper 10mm trim, load it 15+1 with something hardcast that's doing it "hot-n-heavy," and proceed to kill whatever critter needs to be made dead right now.

You can thank me later. :thumbsup: :dancing:
 
#174 ·
Simone, may I suggest that you simply take all the loads you can get and test them. Use something like wet newspaper or whatever you can get, add a old boar skull or even wood in front. You want the bullet that goes deepest and in a straight line! You may find that some of those fmj's are a little on the fragile side.
 
#175 ·
i have already done a similar test. fiocchi 9x21 fmj penetrate di more than .40 winchester 180 grain FMJTC! there wasn't a lot of difference but the 9x21 penetrate di more wood and more paper. also wood and then paper..same story! that's the reason i initially mentioned also 9mm..but, if i understood correctly from this thread, a bigger bullet is less prone to bounce off the skull if the angle is not optimal. is it right?
p.s.: bullets where not fragmented at all in my tests. i never tried hardcast
 
#178 · (Edited)
a bigger bullet is less prone to bounce off the skull if the angle is not optimal. is it right?
p.s.: bullets where not fragmented at all in my tests. i never tried hardcast
You'll get a number of different answers to this, but everything factors in when you consider ricochets. A fast 9mm, flat nose bullet will ricochet about 300% less than ball because it has the speed, but it also has the bullet shape to cut through the sinew and bone. A .45 acp will go through a skull, better, even with ball, 'cause the bullet is heavy, even though it's going slower, and remember, we're talking about an angled shot. Imagine throwing a stone at a car windshield. If the stone is small and light, you have to put some Rodger Clemons on it to get it to crack the glass, but a big, heavy rock can be lobbed by a third grader and crack the glass.

The 9x21 is a fast bullet. If you're a good shot under pressure and can rapid fire a mag into a pie plate at say 10 or 15', I wouldn't be afraid to use it. I'm not a head hunter, so I harvest meat with head shots, only. It never takes more than one shot, and like I said, before, we kill hogs, at times, with a .17 HMR. A 9x21 to the dome of a hog and it will go down...with a good bullet. Not ball.
 
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