I've always been a Springfield fan, there's probably a whole lot less to it than I realize. Two glocks= 30s and 21. Theyre great I just don't shoot them well, and it seems to be getting worse. May just give up and go back to what I know.
If you're worried about MIM, then you don't want to know how many MIM parts and components are in critical areas of modern automobiles and airplanes.
In it's infancy, MIM technology and its application had growing pains resulting in some failures. This memory tends to linger and is often echoed while the great strides in powder metallurgy technology is ignored.
Properly made parts is the key; forged will most always be stronger, however MIM parts will be strong and durable enough with density, porosity and surface hardness properties approaching that of forged.
It wasn't long ago when a similar debate circulated about plastic vs steel handguns. Well made and reliable handguns don't require overbuilt stronger steel frames to perform- Glock has certainly proved that.
If you're worried about MIM, then you don't want to know how many MIM parts and components are in critical areas of modern automobiles and airplanes.
In it's infancy, MIM technology and its application had growing pains resulting in some failures. This memory tends to linger and is often echoed while the great strides in powder metallurgy technology is ignored.
Properly made parts is the key; forged will most always be stronger, however MIM parts will be strong and durable enough with density, porosity and surface hardness properties approaching that of forged.
It wasn't long ago when a similar debate circulated about plastic vs steel handguns. Well made and reliable handguns don't require overbuilt stronger steel frames to perform- Glock has certainly proved that.
A 1911 trigger will sure spoil you to a Glock, like day and night.
Don't know if I would unload the 2 plastic 45s tho, as to simply add the all steel older ancient design with superb trigger and history yada yada to the mix. But that's me.
You can work on Glock triggers and do wonders, relatively speaking. $0.25 trigger job (polish small parts), #3 connector, proper lubrication points, Dry fire X 1000, straight press, yada yada...
But you know that.
Don't worry about the MIM or CS. Springfield has you covered. Srsly
I'm defenitely torn on trading them off. I have a far higher respect for Glocks now, just thinking a 1911 is what I want in my hand. Finances dictate a trade otherwise I'd keep them both. Love that 30s, 10rds of 230gr HST'S in a small light package. I've thought about trading the 21 for a 19 so I could shoot more and get use to the trigger on my carry gun. We shall see
I currently have 14,250 rounds on my Kimber Super Match. I used it for two years exclusively for IDPA, USPSA and 3-gun. I have never changed anything except springs and the trigger is still a very smooth and crisp 3.75lbs. MIM is really not that bad. IMHO people do more worrying about MIM than is needed.
Post #4 sums it up very nicely. If however you still have concerns about MIM parts in your 1911 then I would suggest you purchase tool steel parts for the slide stop and barrel link. Out of all of the "small parts" in the 1911 these two experience the most stress. Please keep in mind that almost every part inside the 1911 requires fitting and this is best done by an experienced gunsmith. I know guys who have replaced the MIM slide stops in their Kimber's with Wilson's Bullet Proof slide stops. They just dropped in without any fitting but that will not always be the case. Wilson's "Bullet Proof" parts are machined from tool steel and are pretty much the best you can get. Like most Wilson products they aren't cheap but you get what you pay for.
If you decide to replace any of the ignition parts such as the hammer, sear or disconnector they will most definitely require fitting and absolutely must be done by a professional. This is definitely not a job for the "kitchen table gunsmith" because a lot can go wrong and your safety as well as those around you could be seriously compromised.
If you have to have a Springfield then make sure it's an older one made by IMBEL of Brazil. IMBEL was and is a legitimate smallarms manufacturer. Nowadays, who knows where Springfield gets their parts from and they refuse to tell you other than "made in America".
Most people don't shoot enough to worry if their parts were made in an alley in Pakistan but they can certainly boast how great tool steal parts are and they are a must for real "shooters".
The best are those that spend the big money for quality parts and then you see their 1911 in the for sale section 14 months later with 400 rounds through it. :upeyes:
Unless those Glocks are beat to heck, I think the other person is getting the better part of the deal. I would want to shoot the Loaded before I made the deal.
MIM aside (HK pistols have almost all MIM internals), an SA loaded isn't worth 2 Glocks. SAs below the TRP level have crap for resale value. I'd go 1 for 1 at most.
Edit: somehow tapatalk tricked me into raising this thread from the dead.
Can't answer that question.
But the MIM count in my Dan Wesson V-Bob is ZERO.
$1,500 bucks was the best spent money on a gun I've made.
My way of thinking is if you replace all the MIM parts on a Springfield? At the end of the day you should have bought a Dan Wesson
I've educated myself on MIM, I'm perfectly Ok with what is inside a Springfield.
Sold both Glocks(made $100), purchased a SA RO Compact that I shoot much better than the Glocks.
I've educated myself on MIM, I'm perfectly Ok with what is inside a Springfield.
Sold both Glocks(made $100), purchased a SA RO Compact that I shoot much better than the Glocks.
It will serve you well. What we find out over time is that usually far older stuff is the best.
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