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Investing in the future / putting my toe in the 10mm pool :)

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#1 ·
Investing in the future / putting my toe in the 10mm pool :)

After watching the news of late and the way things are going (Hillary vs Trump), I have decided now is the time to take a jumping off point. :)

I have been debating for the better part of the past year or so whether or not to step up to the 10mm and a G20 for something more powerful in my collection. I'm not in a position go ahead and purchase even a used G20 right now, but I DID find factory 15 round hi-caps at a reasonable price (granted on back order, but at least now reserved at a SET price) of $26 ea, so I went a head and ordered myself 5 of them. :)

I did not buy my first gun until after the '94 hi-cap bad went into effect, so I spent those 10 years living with 10 round mags. When the law went in to sunset in '04 I vowed I'd never get caught with my pants down again, the first thing I did when it expired was go out and buy hi-caps for EVERYTHING I owned in excess and then some.

At the time the 10mm was not even a thought for me then, but since then it has become something I've slowly started looking at harder and harder. Not wanting to play this game again, and again give the current political climate, I decided to at least go ahead and make the somewhat smart commitment to it in what fund I do have to put towards it now. :)

I'm still not 100% sure about if I can get the 10mm to do anything I want it to do that either a full size .45 (G21) I already have or a smaller caliber rifle does (.223), but I at least want options. I'm NOT looking to run full power nuclear loads right now, but I would like something handheld with more "ummph" than the full size .45 can deliver.

We shall see, but I think for now that at least the smart decision has been mad for this point in time. After all, I can always dump the mags to help someone else out for what I have in them if I don't like it and all goes to hell in the future God forbid. :(

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I should have wrote "I'm NOT looking to run NUCLEAR loads right now" instead of full power nuclear loads. My bad :)

I want to start with FULL power factory loads, and then go from there. I am NOT looking for lowered factory loads (to .40 S&W specs), but the "better" factory "full power" stuff.

Once I see how that does / how I do with it (I have early slight arthritis in my writs and hands) I will go from there. I used to have a .44 Mag I COULD shoot, but I'm sure like many, I did NOT shoot two boxes full in an afternoon. KNOWING that the 10mm is NO .44 Mag, but still does have more punch than the .45 is what I want to see? Not to mention when launching it out of a big polymer framed Glock (the 10mm) I have no doubt that will cut a lot of it too. I'd have no desire to try this project out of a Delta or such.
 
#4 ·
I'm of the opinion that 10mm is very accurate, and worth owning just from that standpoint.
If you go non-nuclear 10mm (and that is all that I shoot) the large frame Glock handles the recoil superbly. And, the energy from a middle of the road 10mm 180 grain round lazily traversing the range at 1050 fps is equal to that of even the hottest .45ACP round.
I shot one of my best PPC scores with a stock Glock 20SF. So, what's not to like? I believe the larger frame makes the gun easier to handle than a .40 S&W which is in a smaller 9mm platform.
 
#6 ·
Not to rain on your parade as I think G20's are the bee's knees, but I think stocking up on high capacity magazines for a gun you can't shoot now is probably a bad decision.

I believe using past experience of gun legislation as a blueprint for what may happen is a mistake. The progressives are coming after high capacity magazines (and just about ever other angle where they can infringe rights without taking the 2A thing head on). I believe they learned a hard lesson with grandfathering and sunset provisions and are not going to sit by and let that happen again.

Conservatives in congress are on the run for a lot of reasons, one mass shooting and an executive order from Hillary and so called high capacity magazines will be illegal, everywhere. That is what they are doing in CA and CA is the tip of the spear for progressive thought.

Spending money on magazines that might not even be legal to own, potentially before you even buy the gun they are meant for, I wouldn't.
 
#12 ·
That's fine, but I disagree, and I'd personally rather HAVE them risking that, then get the gun and then NOT be able to afford them again like last time.

Two views of the problem, that's all. :)
 
#15 ·
The G29 is a creature I am very curious about, but I want to start with the big boy and then go from there.


God knows if I liked the 29, I'd want a 20 at that point anyway. :) LOL At least I'd already have enough spare hi-caps for both!
 
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#13 ·
I really enjoy the way the flex of a polymer frame soaks up recoil. I have several 9mm (Shield, LC9) and even a super light revolver (LCR) with polymer frames and I've been amazed at how acceptable the recoil is with those light platforms.
And, don't forget that sticking a Seattle Slug into the hollow behind the magazine well really improves the handling of recoil in a Glock. http://taylorfreelance.com/blog/?page_id=38
I only have one in my Glock 34, but aside from taming recoil, it is pretty easy to forget that you have one in there.
 
#17 ·
Having owned and still do both the traditional gen 3 frame and the SF gen 3 frames in .45 in both the 21 and the 30 (one of each type in both frame sizes), I feel anything with more power I want in the older frame for some reason?

Having now also owned a 30 in a Gen 4 frame too, I am still on the fence about how I feel about it (the Gen 4 style gun). To me the three different styles in two different sizes DO feel different, but I'm not sold on the Gen 4 gun yet to say I want one in 10mm to make life easy. I am NOT a fan of the Gen 4 frame texture for sure. :(
 
#24 ·
That one is at least easy for me - I DON'T plan on carrying it (CCW) so it's a non issue for ME. :)

If I were too, it would either be the Safariland ALS belt holster I already have for my G21, or a chest rig - which I'm trying to integrate an ALS holster into.
 
#23 ·
I'm starting down the 10mm road myself, and I guess I'm going about it the long way too. I bought a G20 complete upper off the classifieds on here last night (with the intention of getting a G21sf to use it on), and I bought some mags from MidwayUSA.

I found 10mm "plinking" ammo online for not much more than 45 acp, and I'm planning to handload any "hunting" ammo.
 
#54 ·
Do


Do you / have you reloaded that brass? The PP goes on sale as well, but many avid reloaders say the brass is brittle and not good for reloading, especially hotter loads. I reload their 45 ACP and .223 without issue.
 
#26 ·
OP, you need to read both of these posts,

http://www.glocktalk.com/threads/grt45-archive.1421823/#post-22283466

http://www.glocktalk.com/threads/glock-30-30sf-30s-information.1421425/#post-18968143

I first started with the G30, have three of them, they have been
as power and more reliable than than one of my G20s, have two
of them. I use a 4.6'' LW G29 barrel to shoot both 10mm and
40s&w, the 40 can be loaded long to get more power because of
the longer 10mm mags.

You can get a 40 barrel if you don't want to use your 10mm barrel
to shoot 40 in it.

I also shoot from my G21, 45acp, 45 super, 460 Rowland, 10mm
40s&w, 357 sig and even 9mm, the 9mm has done much better
than I thought, it's nice to know that it can be done.

With the weaker 9mm loads you kinda have a bolt action but it
does work. I load long even with the 9mm, once again you can
get more power.

To me the G21 is the most versatile gun you can get.

Most of my barrels are six inches or longer, that helps to get more
power even with less pressure, also all of the barrels will work in
the G20 if you do get one. I will probably sell one of my G20s after
what I have learned.
 
#28 ·
Listen to this guy and act before it's too late, don't forget
the boolit molds, you will save more money and will still
be shooting when most have run out of projectiles.

For the 40/10mm guys this has worked great for me,

https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item/0000690256/double-cavity-mold-401-175-tc

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/56...s-and-w-401-diameter-175-grain-truncated-cone

These will work great too and you don't need a sizer/lubricator.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/33...diameter-175-grain-tumble-lube-semi-wadcutter

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/64...diameter-175-grain-tumble-lube-semi-wadcutter

You can cast on a Coleman camp stove or even a fire like the
Buffalo hunters did.

You will shoot for about four to six cents a shot.

FWIW, I shoot cast in 223 to 12ga and everything in between,
even 458 win mag and all .30 cal rifles.
 
#32 ·
My favorite carry piece is the G20, and that's saying something from a guy who carried a Colt Government Model for many years. It's hard to argue with 16 180gr Hornady XTP's.

IMO a properly-handled 10mm will kill anything in North America.
 
#36 ·
a better idea is the small 10mm get a G23 and a G27 and DONT LOOK BACK these gems are golden
 
#37 ·
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The G29 is a creature I am very curious about


As you should be--I just got a Gen 3 G29. Did a trigger job and put a Storm Lake barrel on it. Excellent gun to carry and shoot. My load is 12gr #9/180 Zero. 15 rd mags work in it and 10 rd for carry.

Hands and wrists?? Well I'm 82 and handle it fine.
 
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