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Would you trust your life on untested Glock?

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#1 ·
I was looking at armslist. and a guy was selling a g23 unfired only carried concealed. I thought that was crazy. But then I got to thinking if I had to carry an untested pistol. It would be a Glock. They always work and shoot pretty close to point of aim. Does anybody else fell the same. Or is there a pistol you trust right off the rack
 
#127 ·
What do you do if you get a failure to feed on your 99th round? Start over at zero and shoot another 100? What if you get a single feed failure on a pistol you've already shot hundreds, or thousands, of rounds through? Shoot 100 more, then call it OK? I'm just curious in general, for shooters who set seemingly arbitrary numerical thresholds, what is their tolerance for individual failures? Industry uses standards like mean rounds between failures for quality control, but you have to shoot an awful lot of rounds to get a statistically meaningful measurement.

See what caused the jam (me, gun or ammo), and proceed from there. My Glocks are so reliable; I need to use dummy rounds to practice failure drills.
 
#129 ·
Gun's Magazine Unloaded...Rack the slide, pull the trigger and it goes "click" !....It's ready to go.
And if the ejection rod is straight and solid, the firing pin is were it suppose to be....I'd trust the gun.
 
#131 ·
Or is there a pistol you trust right off the rack
FN-9 or -40, or even the -9C or -40C. Those are good battle guns. If I had to go to battle, I'd be absolutly fine with the Glock, but if I had a choice.....ehhhhh....probably would grab the FN.

My Glock has been almost 100% reliable, until I tried to run some Armscor ammo through it. Those rounds for some reason didn't like going to battery fully. I also had multiple FTF with the Armscor, which might have been because the rounds weren't fully seated. First time I had ever had a problem, but it was probably a bad batch of ammo. Don't seem to remember if I tried the Armscor in the FNs.
 
#132 ·
Although I wouldn't necessarily condone such a method..... Glock reliability and top notch quality has served me well for nearly 20 years..... I would say yes, but I'd rather shoot the thing..... for some crazy reason of maintaining skills or training or something....

Come to think of it, a concealed carrier, carrying a pistol of which he has never shot? That's a shuddering thought...
 
#133 ·
I shoot guns because I enjoy the shooting part. I carry a gun that I have much experience with because I feel comfortable in the gun and my skills with that gun. I trust a lot of guns. I have never had a single failure with HK's or sig's or Kahr or the springfield xds... thats a lot of guns that have never had a single failure since round 1. My ed brown and les baer and colt custom ipsc gun and colt delta elites... zero failures ever... that means from new in the box on.

I have maybe 8 glocks right now ???? have had another 8 or ten a while back.. the 21 and 20 and 36 and 19 have been without a single stoppage ever... I have two glock 31's and the older one I used to run in IDPA has had at least ten failures of parts and many more stoppages. my gen 2 17-C has only stopped once due to a squib load that I caught. It may have worked but I was luckily able to stop shooting when the bullet only visited the first inch or two of the barrel. I have a 23 that I have not fired yet, a used police pistol... no idea yet so it is not in a holster yet. I plan on converting it to 357 sig for carry use.

The rest of my guns have been very good. but maybe had an issue or two... maybe ammo or mag related. I would carry any of them as they are all currently running great, I have an old colt 1911 series 80 that is great . but not flawless ,,,, I have no worries about it as I practice clearing failures but I wont tell you it has been without some problems along the way. some where in my gun safes I have a taurus 1911 that has been 100 percent over maybe 300 rounds. Not as accurate as I would like, but it fires every time. I would like another couple hundred rounds thru it before it got duty as a protection gun.

I would not want to have any gun in a holster in a defensive use that I have not fired a bit. I wont say 50 or 200 or how many rounds that is. Its a feeling that all is going well.
 
#135 ·
Come to think of it, a concealed carrier, carrying a pistol of which he has never shot? That's a shuddering thought...
Best quote of the thread. And sadly it happens all the time. Maybe they had to do a little shooting to get their CCW, but now that is not even required. Scares the hell out of me to see a guy in a gunshop buying a package deal....a HiPoint or Glock, cheap belt, Uncle Mike's saggy baggy holster, couple boxes of the cheapest ammo they have, and calling a few shots at a paper target from the seven yard line sufficient to carry. Those rounds if he gets into an incident with absolutely no tactical or street training are going off into the neighborhood, possibly into one of my kids or grandkids.
 
#136 ·
No. In fact, I bought a new carry gun and due to circumstances (new baby), I didn't get to the range for a long time (months) to try it out. Even though I had bought a holster for it and really wanted it to be my new carry gun, I waited until I actually made it to the range and tested it with my carry ammo to make sure that 1.) it fed and fired reliably, and 2.) I was comfortable with my aim with it.
 
#137 ·
I was looking at armslist. and a guy was selling a g23 unfired only carried concealed. I thought that was crazy.
And you are correct. No one is forcing anyone to carry an untested pistol. It does make for an interesting hypothetical but that's as far as it goes. If anyone is actually doing this they are a moron.
 
#138 ·
My rule is 200 FMJ's through any new gun then onto whatever I plan on packing. But I would trust a Glock more than any other. I took a friend and his new Shield to my range and it wouldn't cycle factory Fiocci. At all. Fail, Fail Fail. Was fine with factor Remington. Imagine betting your life on that.
 
#139 ·
And you are correct. No one is forcing anyone to carry an untested pistol. It does make for an interesting hypothetical but that's as far as it goes. If anyone is actually doing this they are a moron.
Carrying an untested Glock would a lot smarter than walking around unarmed.
 
#142 ·
I bought a new Gen-4 17 when it first came out. Brand new never fired, I took it to the range to shoot a qualification course. I hadn't even finished the third stage of the six stages of qualifications when it choked on me. I had four FTF and FTE before I finished the course. If I hadn't been well practiced in malfunction clearing, I would had failed the course. This was the first Glock I've ever had any problems with and the first malfunction really took me by surprise.

When I got home, I called Glock and after sending me four different RSA assemblies, the problem was finally corrected.

I own several Glocks and have shot thousands of rounds of reloads and every factory ammo that I can find on sale and that is the only Glock that has ever given me any problems.
 
#143 ·
Sure, not ideal but sometimes there may be no choice. I had to trust my life to an untested P226 and AK-47 for a couple weeks in Baghdad until we got an opportunity to test fire them.

I don't see why in a civilian setting you would ever need to...just don't carry it until it has been to the range.
 
#147 ·
I'll take the untested pistol over the sharp stick. Chances are I can get at least one shot off for sure, then I have a club.
 
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#149 ·
I guess the main question you'd trust an unfired gun is WHY? Swing by an indoor shooting range on the way home or the desert if you live out there and fire off a couple of boxes with every mag you have. Anything mechanical can have problems. Look at the G42 and G43 issues just in the last couple of years. I've never seen so many complaints about Glocks in the previous 20 years.
 
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