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Rex zero 1

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#1 ·
Might have to get one of these
 
#19 ·
But don't you get a special coin with the Sig and membership in an elite club?
Whoopee! Ain't I speeshul now.
I think SIG is lost and has been for some time. What used to be a premier pistol maker for the free world has sure gone down the toilet. Over priced, over rated, and now just over. Will they fold up? No, and I would hope not. But dang, they need to get their heads out and quite making the "gun of the month" crud. Ask S&W about that insanity.
 
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#22 ·
Obviously Swiss Sigs are almost in a class of their own. The need to partner with Sauer in Germany because of Swiss export restrictions resulted in some innovative guns, that while not the quality of the Swiss ones, were still very good and innovative for their day. I bought 2 of the original Browning BDA's (Sig P220) when they first came out, and they were very good. They had a lot of features that were almost unique at the time.
The stuff being marketed as Sig today seems like a bunch of hype based on Sig's Swiss reputation, and they aren't even close.
It doesn't surprise me at all, that another company can build a similar product for a LOT less money, that performs better than new "Sigs".
 
#23 ·
I agree, SpringerTGO. Part of the problem as I understand it, is that SIG in Germany got caught/busted/embroiled in a large illegal gun export. And not just once, IIRC, but more than once, I believe. SIG Germany has all been shut down due to No exports allowed and very heavy sanctions against them by the German Gov't(Merkel is their equivalent of our Bill Clinton, God help 'em!). So, just about everything and all moved over here to the US to make guns. But the transition apparently didn't take well as the engineering seems to have gotten very bad, and manufacturing isn't building quality guns. And then on top of all that foolishness, SIG USA just went crazy with different gun after gun after gun. Ignorant things, too, such as "beavertails" on SIG metal frame pistols(That never needed them!), the supposedly superior DAK system that was not a success. If you make a trigger too light, then you will have light strikes and a failure in your ignition system! The fix was heavier springs and that killed the "superior" system. Then a total flop w/ the 2009/2040 system w/ it's proprietary rail system that no one had accessories to fit. SIG redesigned it as the 2022 and then crowed to the world that the French Gendarme bought thousands of them, right at a time when the French were in full Socialist Gov't and trying to tell the World how to live like they did(And the end result of that Liberal crapola is all the Islamic Terrorist hits they have suffered. Hmm, Liberal Socialism didn't work to well for you, did it, France?). That killed the interest in that pistol. Then SIG started to crow about their new wonder pistol, the 290. A well engineered pistol with a really poor copy of that garbage, the DAK trigger. Supposedly the new Federal Law Enforcement darling handgun, and it failed miserably in testing, due to, I believe, light strikes! No kidding! Now a days, you cannot even give a 290 away, no one wants them. Now we have the striker fired 320, and it too has failed during the FBI trails, and it seems that it is also starting to have function problems w/ the public. And what about their foray into the 1911 pistol business? That was a Charlie Foxtrot all unto itself.
Well, I could go on and on about SIG missteps, but you get the idea. And it breaks my heart, too, as I have always been a SIG fan. SIG, to their credit, will bend over backward to help their customers, thankfully. I will bet that the service shop at SIG is huge and has a bunch of techs working just about around the clock. Poor guys. But will I own any SIGs anymore? Not on your life or mine, their pistols just don't cut the mustard anymore. Sad.
And people wonder why Cops and Departments buy Glocks all the time. Duhh!
 
#25 ·
I'll keep my Sig out of the dirt, mud and water.


According to other torture tests Beretta, Glock, HK and M&P all demonstrate operational failures. I didn't search long, but I suppose I could find anecdotal evidence of faults/failures with probably every gun made. Of course we have been told by the tactical training experts that 1911's "SUCK" even without a mud test. Are we to conclude these firearms are safety risks and deficient in self-defense roles? Or should we flock to MAC's business Copper Custom Armament and buy the Arex Rex Aero 1 S, which surprisingly they just happen to sell.

People who would actually operate in extreme environmental conditions using sidearms are not going to choose their gun from YouTube knucklehead testing. The rest of us can relax and keep your junk out of the dirt.







 
#26 ·
I'm a big fan of the MAC, great video and test. As far as the testing goes, it is far from scientific of course. Then, as far as the net goes, it's comical to read the statements of opinion, about Sig performance, presented as fact. Not one scientific data point presented but by God, Sig's aren't what they used to be lol. I had one W. German made Sig that was a great paperweight but my data point of one a statistic doesn't make. I've said it before, if I used Internet logic when I completed my Master's thesis, I believe I would have had my Undergrad, High School diploma and on down pulled. Yet his is the realm of the Internet. MAC does good work, especially considering what he must put up with. I will say I am now interested in the Rex 1.
 
#29 ·
Thank you for watching.

Here's what's even more interesting, the tests aren't all that harsh. I'm not pouring dirt and sand into an open ejection port like I've seen others do. I'm not burying the gun in sand, dirt and mud then pressing it into the firearm as hard as I can. I'm basically laying the loaded gun, round in the chamber, hammer down, mag inserted, into the dirt/mud/sand and giving it a push downward as if you were falling on the gun in the field. Good grief, any fighting tool should be able to take such little abuse. The fact the Legion had so many issues, both minor and serious, is disheartening for me. I fully expected the Sig to shine as the Arex did.
 
#28 ·
Yes, you are correct. My initial post was dead wrong.

I paused the video halfway through and then continued it. Somehow I missed the initial troubles without realizing it and saw the part where he got the gun up and running again. I had to rewatch it after I saw your response.

Yea, it choked. Pretty surprising, but these "torture test" always have inconsistent results. I have seen all brands of gun both choke completely and reign supreme in dozens of the tests I have watched.

They are entertaining, but I don't choose a gun based on the results of them.
If you watch a bit more closely, you'll notice that once the Legion was cleaned the ejection was consistent. Once any debris, no matter how small, was introduced the gun was just barely popping the spent cases out. That tells me something else is amiss.

Is it a defective gun? Possibly. Is it the large external extractor that many Sig fans are complaining about? Possibly. But the gun tested is not running properly, that much is very clear.
 
#30 ·
That is interesting, I didn't notice that when I watched it.

I am issued a P226 at work and I was concerned when they replaced my older Sig with one of the new USA made ones. The new extractor was one of the first things that have me concern.

So far though, the gun has been run a lot and has been very reliable.

Mine is not a Legion so I can't comment on that. I am not even sure what the differences are in the Legion.
 
#37 ·
Thank you for watching.

Here's what's even more interesting, the tests aren't all that harsh. I'm not pouring dirt and sand into an open ejection port like I've seen others do. I'm not burying the gun in sand, dirt and mud then pressing it into the firearm as hard as I can. I'm basically laying the loaded gun, round in the chamber, hammer down, mag inserted, into the dirt/mud/sand and giving it a push downward as if you were falling on the gun in the field. Good grief, any fighting tool should be able to take such little abuse. The fact the Legion had so many issues, both minor and serious, is disheartening for me. I fully expected the Sig to shine as the Arex did.
It is an interesting vid, and I think very valid -both weapons were subjected to the same treatment.

It would be interesting to have both weapons on a Ransom Rest to check inherent accuracy. Doctrine holds that tighter weapons perform more accurately. If the Rex and Sig have close to the same bench accuracy, THAT would be fascinating!

BTW: what does the Rex cost??
 
#45 ·
Thank you for watching.

Here's what's even more interesting, the tests aren't all that harsh. I'm not pouring dirt and sand into an open ejection port like I've seen others do. I'm not burying the gun in sand, dirt and mud then pressing it into the firearm as hard as I can. I'm basically laying the loaded gun, round in the chamber, hammer down, mag inserted, into the dirt/mud/sand and giving it a push downward as if you were falling on the gun in the field. Good grief, any fighting tool should be able to take such little abuse. The fact the Legion had so many issues, both minor and serious, is disheartening for me. I fully expected the Sig to shine as the Arex did.
It's crazy in that a $1200 Sig would fail in basic tests and the $600 dollar, kind of clone, passes with flying colors. I have a few Sig's, including a 229 Legion but mine won't see the dirt and grime of your test...well, it shouldn't lol. Mine might very well pass with flying colors and it might not. Regardless, I like your video's, your tests, always watching. And yes, I may buy a Rex 1 from your shop, this video has peaked my interest. I did watch your initial review on it but damn, this was an eye opener.
 
#46 ·
I agree with the above comments.
New "classic" Sigs are NOW over-rated and over priced.....
The new Sig's are over rated based on what? I will say the Legion was a bit pricey for what you got but it's come down. I love the smooth trigger, it beats all my Sig's in that regard. I have one German made Sig and I can't say it's better or worse than my newer Sig's. Cost less but until someone puts up data points, research, all is conjecture and baseless opinion. That goes with my opinion as well, that modern day Sig's are tough, reliable guns, just as much as the older Sig's. I can say though, MAC's Rex 1 whooped up on that 226 Legion!
 
#49 ·
New "classic" Sigs are NOW over-rated and over priced.....


I disagree with this a bunch, sure they aren't as good as they used to be but very, very few manufacturers are. Sig screwed up by making the financial decision to stop test firing all the pistols they ship. They aren't the only ones, several others have done they same and it reflects in their reputation. The simple result is you let more dogs out the door.
 
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