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Best Glock for defending Against a Pit Bull Attack ???

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#1 ·
One of my neighbors has recently acquired a vicious pit bull. The owner has no control over it at all. What caliber Glock would you use to defend yourself from a Pit Bull attack ???
 
#296 ·
In my previous posts I have clearly shown that your ignorant and absurd claim that because some dogs have "armor skulls," 9mm Win. +P+, LE JHP, cannot penetrate dogs' skulls -- is nonsense. No one with any credibility and thus knowledge, of course, makes the absurd and ignorant claim that you do regarding dogs' "armor skulls" and thus inadequacy of 9mm LE ammunition to penetrate, assuming proper placement. What you think and believe is evidently suited -- only for you. Don't try to amuse me anymore with your nonsense; your posts have zero merit and will henceforth be ignored.
This would be the point where you failed to provide anything of merit, it became obvious that your contribution could not be justified by your posts that while lengthy had no real substance, and you no longer felt you could defend your theory vs what actually happens. Then you broke down. Thank you. :)
 
#299 ·
The dog growls and struggles to attack my car as I drive by. The owner has no control over it. I like to walk in my neighborhood but now fear this dog. I am not picking on Pit Bulls but the dog in question is a Pit Bull !!! Other neighbors are so fearful of this dog that they have quit walking at all. The owner is an idiot who has threatened to shoot another neighbor just for walking up to his house. The dogs owner is acting very unstable. He even called the police when our home owner association president put a copy of the home owners association annual meeting minutes in his mailbox. I have no hope that this owner will be a responsible pit bull owner at all.
Start meticulously documenting each and every instance when you or one of your neighbors contact officials responsible for monitoring the situation you describe.

I lived next door to a man who couldn't handle an 80-point pit bull who would jump the fence when outside and saw another dog being walked along the street. Pitt bulls are bred for sheer violence, not guard duty.
 
#300 ·
Just a gruesome reminder ....
Witnesses say Jacksonville dog attack victim was dismembered

by: Lorena Inclan, Action News Jax Updated: Aug 23, 2016 - 9:01 AM

JACKSONVILLE, Fla.
- The Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office has identified a man killed in a dog attack as 83-year-old Michael Downing.

Downing was killed by his neighbor's dogs at about 4 p.m. Friday, officials said.

The hole in the fence where witnesses said the dogs came through is now boarded up.

Witnesses Mackenzie Partin and Eddie Edwards said Downing’s body may have been dragged into the dog’s yard because they saw his body on the other side of the fence.

The Franklin Arms apartment community is mourning the loss of Downing, whom they described as a helpful neighbor and happy man.

“He always had a big smile on his face,” said neighbor Mark Jones.

Police roped off an area near the Dumpster where Edwards and Partin spotted the body.

“By far it's probably the worst thing I’ve ever seen in my life,” said Partin. “There was only 30 percent left of his body probably.”

Partin said Downing was dismembered and barely recognizable.

“They had dragged him underneath, back up underneath, to eat on him,” said Partin.

Action News Jax obtained a report from the city detailing an anonymous call made in April, alleging animal cruelty.

The caller told investigators the dogs were being kept in “small pens,” “living in filth,” and that the owner hit them with “a closed fist.”

But when investigators arrived there were “no feces present” and they “appeared to be in good health.”

A warning was issued at the time but neighbors claim more could’ve been done to prevent the recent attack.

“I knew it was coming, I knew someone was going to die, it was almost she and I,” said Jones.

It’s unclear if the owner of the dogs, Lephus Felton, will face any charges.

Action News Jax reached out to Felton for comment but he declined.

According to Downing’s power of attorney, Downing worked at the Tax Collector’s Office for 30 years until he was forced to retire in his late 70s. He said that Downing recently had a stroke but was otherwise active, sharp, well-educated and well-traveled.

His remains will be cremated and scattered in the ocean.

http://www.wftv.com/news/local/witn...e-dog-attack-victim-was-dismembered/428332897
 
#313 ·
I read a few replies and then just couldn't go on. Right on the first page are a ton of folks just pure full of it. If it is a really tough pit then get something that will allow you to carry a load that will go through a skull of a tough animal just in case. I snap shot a pit one time while moving to the side and managed to bust it's pelvis. Didn't kill it but stopped the attack. I was right beside an officer that head shot a Rottweiler one time with the same ammo (win 127 grain ranger +p+) and the good hit in the skull didn't penetrate. The rott shook it off and then went running the other way.

Those that say get a Glock in any caliber for a tough dog are giving bad advice at best. 40 with hot loads would be my minimum. 10mm would be my preferred.
This is the post I referred to, #122 (erroneously referred to as #22)
 
#316 ·
You don't say where you are located. Maybe Caesar the dog whisperer could get involved to shoot an episode before you have to shoot the dog.
 
#319 ·
I can't resist. To help add fuel to the fire...

Brown Bear, Black Bear, Wolverine, and a 65 lb dog.


Bull Terrier Skull:
Angled, with long distance from tip of nose to brain, additional layer of bone in front of brain, reinforced sagital crest bone (jaw muscle attachment sites humans do not have).
Would a bullet striking the side of the nose penetrate? Deflect? Would caliber (and Mass) minimize deflection? Would a bullet to the teeth or nose reach the brain? A shot to the forehead that did NOT deflect would still need to penetrate at least two-three inches to reach the brain. A shot to the nose would need ~6 inches. Target diameter ~ 2 inches (but hidden behind sharply sloped, thick bony barrier of the maxilla and frontal bones).


Human Skull:
Comparatively flat target. Some thin bone behind the eyes, but comparatively very little behind the nose. Only a few millimeters behind the skull is the brain, and the brain is presented behind the frontal bone, eyes, nose, cheeks, and back of throat. The hard frontal bone is a few millimeters thick in front of the brain, and the zygomatic bone provides some extra bone behind the cheeks. Unlike a dog, the brain is mere millimeters behind the front bone in a very large percentage of the skull. Target diameter ~ 6 inches, few angles to deflect bullets and decrease force of impact.

 
#320 ·
I can't resist. To help add fuel to the fire...

Brown Bear, Black Bear, Wolverine, and a 65 lb dog.


Bull Terrier Skull:
Angled, with long distance from tip of nose to brain, additional layer of bone in front of brain, reinforced sagital crest bone (jaw muscle attachment sites humans do not have).
Would a bullet striking the side of the nose penetrate? Deflect? Would caliber (and Mass) minimize deflection? Would a bullet to the teeth or nose reach the brain? A shot to the forehead that did NOT deflect would still need to penetrate at least two-three inches to reach the brain. A shot to the nose would need ~6 inches. Target diameter ~ 2 inches (but hidden behind sharply sloped, thick bony barrier of the maxilla and frontal bones).


Human Skull:
Comparatively flat target. Some thin bone behind the eyes, but comparatively very little behind the nose. Only a few millimeters behind the skull is the brain, and the brain is presented behind the frontal bone, eyes, nose, cheeks, and back of throat. The hard frontal bone is a few millimeters thick in front of the brain, and the zygomatic bone provides some extra bone behind the cheeks. Unlike a dog, the brain is mere millimeters behind the front bone in a very large percentage of the skull. Target diameter ~ 6 inches, few angles to deflect bullets and decrease force of impact.

There was a post here recently relating a hit with a .30-06 round to the jaw of a person, that failed to penetrate the very hard jaw bone (as hard as a human bone gets). Was this an "armor plate" jaw bone that some humans have that .30-06 round cannot penetrate? Hardly. On the other hand, there was a well-known shooting in '68 with a .30-06 round impacting another human jaw bone -- at a different angle-- that not only penetrated that bone but went on to do quite a number on lots of soft tissue and several vertebrae -- and nearly instantly incapacitating and killing the individual in question.
 
#323 ·
We have a green belt by a river in our city that a lot of folks like to walk on. Many folks will walk a spell at their lunch hour and in the evenings it gets plenty of use. I've have two episodes on this green belt with large dogs, a pit bull and a rottweiler. Luckily the owner was able to stop the charge when I rounded a corner of the walk and meet them. From then on I would never go on the belt without being armed and would take my cute little .380 that I dubbed a "dog shooter" with me all the time.

Now after thinking about it I would now carry my G30 with 180g HST if I worked in that part of town again. That particular gun is very accurate and has much more poop upon impact. Might be larger and heavier and also is more comforting.

I realize that on a public green belt you might have more reason to react differently than when the dog is next door on a neighbors property. Seems like calling animal control a few times would establish a pattern and accompany that action with photos. Best of luck to you and shoot straight.
 
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