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#1 ·
Which one of these knives would be best of last ditch, can't get to my pistol, self defense.
Zero Tolerance ZT0300
ZT0301
ZT0350
thanks.
 
#2 ·
You are 64 years old.

Have you ever had a knife fighting course (two hours of instruction in the USMC does not court)?

Have you ever had instruction in a martial art?

With 1/2 day of instruction, you should be able to deploy a folder from your jeans pocket to the base of an opponent's throat.

You don't have open a folder to have it deployed. Simply using a folded knife as a Yawara stick is sufficient.

Most knife fights are over within seconds.

Without the skills, a knife is simply a piece of metal. The answer would be along the lines of "if you cannot open a folder one handed", then you should not choose the knife, if you exist on an exposed blade. If you don't mind a two handed opening, then save your money and buy a Buck 110 which can be used as a yawara stick.
 
#4 ·
You are 64 years old.

Have you ever had a knife fighting course (two hours of instruction in the USMC does not court)?

Have you ever had instruction in a martial art?

With 1/2 day of instruction, you should be able to deploy a folder from your jeans pocket to the base of an opponent's throat.

You don't have open a folder to have it deployed. Simply using a folded knife as a Yawara stick is sufficient.

Most knife fights are over within seconds.

Without the skills, a knife is simply a piece of metal. The answer would be along the lines of "if you cannot open a folder one handed", then you should not choose the knife, if you exist on an exposed blade. If you don't mind a two handed opening, then save your money and buy a Buck 110 which can be used as a yawara stick.
I've trained in Tae Kwon Do, Hap Ki Do, and now Krav Maga. I've taken stick and knife training I've been involved in martial arts since 1985. I can open my Kershaw Vapor with one hand it just seems a little small.
 
#14 ·
Cant take the rifle/shotgun...take the pistol..can't take the pistol...take the knife..take what you can and be as prepared as you can and that's all you CAN do Jim.

It sounds to me like you are going after this in the most logical level headed way you can. You want the strongest, sharpest most durable knife you can get for the money. There's not one damn thing wrong with that. Smart thinking.

I'm no expert but I do consider myself a martial artist in theory and practice.

I wish I could spend some time with YOU and LEARN from YOU. I've got some big bad sticks that hang off my arms like steel pr24s, but I'd bet $1000 bux to a donut and not loose one wink of sleep on the idea that YOU can use em better than me.
 
#16 · (Edited)
Mine are one piece welded 316 stainless brewery grade schedule 40 pipe. One of them weighs 3 times what the aluminum ones do so it's like carrying almost 6 weight wise!. I've used one as a breaker bar extension for a lug nuts!
You can't take em apart but you don't want a lick across the knee with one, let alone a full power neck or skull crack.

I still toted a G20 with 175 grain silvertips and a Cold steel voyager XL tanto.

There's a 12 gauge with 00 by my head of the bed. I'm 5 foot 5 and 160 lbs.

I used to deflect multiple frisbees for speed practice!
 
#19 ·
Why would you need a $200+ knife for last ditch self-defense? You could do that with any random sharpened piece of steel. I wouldn't pay over $50 and the $50 would be for something like SOG's assisted opening.
 
#21 ·
That Schrade Chris Reeve copy fits the bill, but might be a bit difficult to explain or conceal in his work environment.
A CS VOYAGER is around $60 up, and I've carried and used them for over 30 years. And BUCK 110s. And SOG.

But I'm also a collector of military and combat blades. I appreciate the pride in owning a good knife,and I respect that decision...both sides are ok..
 
#20 ·
Those ZT 300 series you're talking about have great steel quality, my question is, IDK what the locks have been tested to hold, and how much force it takes to snap that S30v?, vs a "lower quality" HC STEEL or stainless variant. How tough is it?
 
#24 · (Edited)
I do have a limited edition Kershaw that looks and locks very much like the ZT in question...I had heard that ZT is a significantly upgraded Kershaw, but I'll again, have to research that. It is a very very stout system.

ETA: my knife is the Kershaw "offset", bought it after the knife of the year awards, and somebody didnt pay attention to what was printed on the blade!

It appears Captjim, that a ZT titanium frame lock design should serve quite well. Titanium is hard to snap! Especially short thick chunks!
 
#25 ·
Not sure how well a ZT 0350 would work as a weapon but I can say they are pretty stout knives. I've had my ZT0350 TS for some time and it's been abused, used as a prybar, hammer, screwdriver, everyday cutting tool. Still opens fast and locks up solidly.


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#26 ·
You have it. Knife movements are the same as with escrima stick. All of the knives are a compromise. The 350 will do the job, and is about .25 inch too short. An Emerson (Benchmade CQC6 or original - not current- Emerson CQC7) are better deployables. If you don't need to open the blade, then the old Buck 110 can be used as a yawara stick. If you are focused on slashing, then get a partially serrated blade version.
 
#28 ·
"maybe I just want a ZT and was looking for opinions on them."
I've seen both, held both and used the 350 and if I were in a close quarters - one on one fight, i'd take the lighter blade myself. Grant-it it's only 10% lighter than the 300 but i'll take it anyway - need your hands to move as fast and as fee as possible in that kind of situation.

Sits well in hand with the type of handle it has and I like the jimping on the rear of the handle which of course can come in handy if you miss with the thrust - can come back and get someones attention with a back- hand... :whistling:

Not a real fan of a knife with serration on the blade but just my own preference I guess. :dunno: Just a bit on the edge of the pricey side but still not too bad for a knife like this - and it is a ZT knife after all.

Just my 2 cents for you, good luck in your choice.
 
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#29 ·
Couple of thoughts. I'm older than you and have an injury that effects my hand. I carry a 3 1/2 to 4 inch fixed blade total oal 7-7 1/2" in my front pocket at all times (cargo pants). Currently it's a crkt Obake. Much faster deployment than any folder. If you still want a folder check out the crkt hissatsu. it's an assisted opener that works well for me. Best, Joe
 
#31 ·
Couple of thoughts. I'm older than you and have an injury that effects my hand. I carry a 3 1/2 to 4 inch fixed blade total oal 7-7 1/2" in my front pocket at all times (cargo pants). Currently it's a crkt Obake. Much faster deployment than any folder. If you still want a folder check out the crkt hissatsu. it's an assisted opener that works well for me. Best, Joe
Joe that really looks like a good knife. I may just look into that it would be faster than a folder and it looks light enough not to weigh me down. My only reason for a folder is that the don't normally draw a lot of attention when clipped to the top of your back pocket. Know body pays attention to a folder, it just looks like every one carries one these days but the OBAKE is very interesting. I always thought if I ever flew somewhere and I couldn't carry a gun I'd go to the first sporting good store I could find and get a cheap fillet knife and then throw it away before I boarded my flight to return home.
 
#33 ·
Look at the Kershaw/Emmerson collaboration CQC 4KXL Wave feature, stout blade, reversible clip, sharp (really) and just a wee tad cheaper than an actual Emmerson (I have a few and this works just like they do and maintains an edge just fine).
 
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