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FBI Selection - Glock Wins 17M

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#1 ·
Just read that the FBI is looking for a new weapons platform, in of course 9mm.

Check out this requirement:

C.4.15.a Finger grooves on the frame are not permitted.
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Looks like SIG may be finally forced to make some needed changes if they want to get in the game as well.

C.4.8.d The slide stop lever should be designed such that it is unlikely a shooter will inadvertently engage or override the control during normal firing.
 
#1,556 ·
I think I'll grind my G-19 Gen4 fingergrooves off and call it good. I don't mind them
on my G-17 Gen4.
 
#1,561 ·
I wonder if the 19M has the flared mag well like the 17M? I would assume so.

That's a deal breaker for me. I have to admit, I do like the beefed up slide RSA notch and the slide bevels. I am mega curious what the trigger feels like though with the internal changes.

I have a feeling they will run at least $75 or $100 more once offered to civilians. And that alone is prob enough to keep me looking at current "proven" models.

But curious, that I am!

I'm almost certain that this design will be a success after all the trial and error. I just wonder how much influence Gaston himself had on the design. No body can argue the fact that he got it right the first time.
 
#1,564 ·
I have to say I'm completely underwhelmed by this. I can't believe the FBI wasted this much time and energy developing such a stupid spec for something that basically isn't all that different than the existing Gen 4 or even Gen 3 Glocks that were already commercially available. Did they need to have their own minor "snowflake" adjustments made just to make themselves feel special? Why is it that most government agencies feel the need to waste tax payers money, time, and resources developing custom specifications for things that are already available on the market that work just fine? Give me a break already. Just buy something off the shelf. You'd think they were ordering a laser pistol here or something.
 
#1,565 ·
When these models move to the used market I'll consider buying it. Let the initial buyer take the hit on the new gun price.

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#1,566 ·
  1. Whatever the Federal government does, it's almost always safer and more profitable to do the opposite.
  2. Color me naive but I have never heard of the RSA slide cut out being an issue on Gen. 4's
  3. I prefer the Gen. 3 for 9mm Glocks. I'm delighted that this shiny new object will mean prices on the slightly used Gen. 3 and Gen. 4 Glocks will be attractive as everyone rushes to the shiny new object.
 
#1,570 ·
All of the major makes/models/calibers are pretty much even when it comes to performance. They have all had their successes and failures.

The only argument you could possible make is specific agency needs, such as requiring a lower-maintenance firearm for large agencies or choosing a caliber that has better barrier penetration for things such as automobiles for agencies that do a lot of traffic stops or perhaps a higher capacity for agencies more likely to deal with multiple threats such as in an urban environment.
 
#1,571 ·
And I'm staying out of the causation in this. I know Glock is working on it as we speak but I do not know their findings and I'm not inserting myself into that conversation.
Well, if Glock is working on it, it sounds a bit more complicated than a factory worker or end user assembling the gun with a part backwards, as some have speculated.
 
#1,580 ·
Does anyone really give a rats you know what if the naysayers don't buy one. I for one could care less what they buy or don't.
To that question, its seems there was great naysaying when Glock intro'd a .380 micro before a single stack 9. A year later Glock had sold some 200K of the .380s. :D
 
#1,581 ·
From the one pic of the 19 that I've seen, it doesn't look like it does. IIRC the specs don't specify for one on the compact model either.
I do not believe a real picture of the 19M has yet been posted, has it? I have seen photoshop pictures on GT, but I have not seen a real picture of the 19M. If you have seen one, I would appreciate knowing where you saw it.
 
#1,589 ·
So basically either a design flaw or a failure to adequately test or a failure in assembly or a failure to do the a simple function test or some combination. Any of the above from Glock is quite believable.
 
#1,590 ·
Since the backwards installation is both a known previous problem and a very simple solution I still have to guess that by itself would not require bunches of guns to even be swapped out let alone sent back to the factory.
 
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