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Have the recent "riots" changed your thoughts about your CCW gun?

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#1 · (Edited)
I don't live in an area susceptible to the idiotic behavior seen lately, but still makes me think I should go back to carrying a double stack 9mm and a couple of spare mags, rather than a G42 and a spare mag or an LCR and a couple of speed strips.
 
#167 ·
If you are never a crime victim, then you don't need any gun. If you become a victim of violent criminals, it won't matter whether your town is affluent or you live in south central LA.
 
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I agree with rock, just don't go there. If all you have is a 5shot rev when that goes down, 5 down & then run. It's not like riots are spur of the moment events. They usually build over at least hours if not days.
 
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A well earned "Priceless!" there Glockdude1, and a looooong Rebel Yell to you!

Myself having been involved in a very VERY minor kerfuffle or two....I will say this. I have found your gun can't be 'too' big nor your magazine ammo supply 'too' large.

The outcome of pulling of say a pistol when caught in a riot would tend I would think to vary greatly on the situation at hand. But. I think pulling you out of your vehicle for a mass gang stomp would first involve some re-thinking and carefull consideration by the savages at hand. The Korean shop owners of a few years back sure 'parted the sea' with their firearms and their willingness to use them!

I'm sure a certain Mr. Denny would have traded his Rolex, his Jag, or his fanny on the street, for a good gun and plenty of ammo packed magazines in his unfortunate situation. At least, if they do come for you with lunches packed and the Marines in tow, they will know they won't be leaving with a whole skin as it were?

"We don't hold grudges. We remember the facts."

Gray_Rider
Old Secessh
 
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Riots, hardly! Don't panic yourself into hysteria over what is nothing more than a small and localized civil disturbance. The question assumes there is some kind of widespread civil issue to fear. Such thinking maybe top of discussion on some forums, but hopefully not here.

Be smart and avoid areas of active disturbance. No one is going to become the Alamo, fending off throngs of attackers. If things dissolve to that level, you could not remain in your home anyway. In that level of disturbance, people set fires, and there goes all your ammo, powder, firearms, etc. Like I said, don’t spread undo fear. It doesn’t help, it only ensures continued shortages of reloading supplies and ammo for the rest of everyone.
 
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Riots, hardly! Don't panic yourself into hysteria over what is nothing more than a small and localized civil disturbance. ::::: No one is going to become the Alamo, fending off throngs of attackers. If things dissolve to that level, you could not remain in your home anyway.
The riots we've been having, where family businesses are looted and burned, involve thugs from elsewhere being brought in. And then the media labels these as protests. Uh huh....

And um, the Korean shopkeepers kept their family businesses safe from destruction during the Rodney king riots in Los Angeles. The Koreans may have used smiles and kind words, but they were holding shotguns and rifles in plain sight.
 
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As stated riots can usually be seen coming if you pay attention. It's incidents like the Colorado theater shooting that makes me reevaluate.
The Aurora shooting could have been resolved by a cool head & skilled response with a 5shot j frame. That POS was NOT looking for a fight & would have fled or died where he stood.
 
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Let me ask you this...

With all the fear, panic and mayhem going on, many people panicking and scurrying everywhere and hiding behind concealment and soft cover... In the back of your mind knowing you're accountable for each and every round that comes out of that J frame and you're injecting yourself into a situation you could have run from. And knowing the media will most likely vilify your actions because you took the law into your own hands and maybe accidentally struck innocent targets. With the certainty when you pull that trigger for the first time your life will change forever, and probably for the worse...

Would YOU be that guy? Just asking.
 
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Riots, hardly! Don't panic yourself into hysteria over what is nothing more than a small and localized civil disturbance. The question assumes there is some kind of widespread civil issue to fear. There is not.

Be smart and avoid areas of active disturbance.
In such a case you would not be venturing out anyway, you would be home, vest, sidearm & long gun, protecting you & yours, at least I would be:dunno:
 
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"In pretty deep ****" is a good analogy to being "undergunned".

 
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The Aurora shooting could have been resolved by a cool head & skilled response with a 5shot j frame. That POS was NOT looking for a fight & would have fled or died where he stood.
Lot of assumptions here, and you can't assume or plan this will be the case.
 
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Lot of assumptions here, and you can't assume or plan this will be the case.
No I am responding to your example. A single, non committed nut job shooter; It could have been handled by a trained person with any reasonable gun IMO. First round incoming would likely have sent him running. Yes you would not know that or should assume that, but it beats lying there waiting to be executed.
 
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As stated riots can usually be seen coming if you pay attention. It's incidents like the Colorado theater shooting that makes me reevaluate.
The Aurora Century Theatre is and was a "no guns" zone, so I would just not have been there. If I can't carry then I'm not going, other than an occasional trip to the post office. As has been mentioned, the "riots" we have heard about recently were all planned and expected to happen. Why would you be anywhere near there if you could help it?
 
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As stated riots can usually be seen coming if you pay attention. It's incidents like the Colorado theater shooting that makes me reevaluate.
Amen! Exactly the real danger. Anyone can walk into a public place like a theater, mall, or other similar venue and reek havoc. in fact, these have happened here in the US and other countries. like the Westgate mall attack in Kenya and the move theater in Colorado.
 
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And the PC and BLM terrorist crowd kept the police from doing their jobs again too! Town ending up looking like a war zone. Try being under armed or defenseless in that kind of 'fun'. A mini Katrina, nothing more or less.

Armed citizens shall we say, 'kept the peace' in their locals and their persons during the Katrina fiasco. Just was not reported.

"We don't hold grudges. We remember the facts."

Gray_Rider
Old Secessh
 
#16 ·
Keep in mind that the Westgate mall shooting was carried out by a few zealots carrying (I believe, fully automatic) Kalashnikov rifles. After some time, a few officers (seemingly with questionable training) went in to the mall and got their butts handed to them. In such circumstances, the smart money is to get you and yours the H*ll out of there.

Bringing a short gun to a long gun fight is asking to get dead; quickly!
 
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No I am responding to your example. A single, non committed nut job shooter; It could have been handled by a trained person with any reasonable gun IMO. First round incoming would likely have sent him running. Yes you would not know that or should assume that, but it beats lying there waiting to be executed.
I said the situation made me reevaluate. Which means considering a real life example, that could happen again. Maybe next time the person is more committed.

Also, you assume that people running, screaming, utter chaos, that a gunman rapidly pulling the trigger is even going to notice a shot being fired? You're also assuming that in all that chaos, that you're going to be James Bond cool, fire a single round from a J Frame while being shot at and save the day.

The Aurora Century Theatre is and was a "no guns" zone, so I would just not have been there. If I can't carry then I'm not going, other than an occasional trip to the post office.
Wow, I'm really not getting my point across. The situation made me think. What if something similar happened at a theater I happened to be at while I was armed. Sure, try to avoid the situation and all that. But what if, that's all.
 
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I said the situation made me reevaluate. Which means considering a real life example, that could happen again. Maybe next time the person is more committed.

Also, you assume that people running, screaming, utter chaos, that a gunman rapidly pulling the trigger is even going to notice a shot being fired? You're also assuming that in all that chaos, that you're going to be James Bond cool, fire a single round from a J Frame while being shot at and save the day.



Wow, I'm really not getting my point across. The situation made me think. What if something similar happened at a theater I happened to be at while I was armed. Sure, try to avoid the situation and all that. But what if, that's all.
Always carry, train well, and be prepared, but don't live your life in fear. It is highly unlikely that something like this is ever going to happen to you or your loved ones.
 
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Anyone that didn't see the Baltimore situation coming is an idiot. Kinda like those in NOLA when all the weather and news outlets were warning for DAYS what was coming.
Idiots sat around waiting for the guvment to save their sorry arses.
Stupid is as stupid does.
 
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Not this time. During the Ferguson riots, I added some to my EDC. However the threat was more widespread.
What's now happening in Baltimore is a huge sign of things to come in this country.

The fact that the Mayor basically endorsed this crap and obviously instructed the police to stand back and allow the destruction will be a clear message to every other large city with a majority black population that it is "ok".

The fact that there are no arrests being made and a curfew is set for tonight and not now is clearly a message to them to "go at it".

It will be read all over this country as "permission" to destroy their own cities.

I now have no regrets about all the money I have been spending on weapons and ammo because make no mistake, this is only the beginning. Paranoid? No, because I live about 1.5 miles from a neighborhood very similar demographically in populous to the area of Baltimore now being torched and looted.

I am very surprised that business owners are not protecting their businesses. Like others have noted here, there was plenty of warning that this was coming.

How does the mayor now claim that she never said "give them space to destroy" with all the cameras on her at the time? This is how stupid these people in liberal government really are.
 
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I am with Glockdude, buy, store, shoot, buy more, I am old enough to remember the "real" riot in 1967 Detroit, as a kid I was in awe of the Detroit cops and the Army that didn't take any $#!+ from "Thugs" back then, but boy did that city cook in the summer of "67", my dad had his Colt .45 avaliable, it's in my collection now, and the LA Riots showed folks (Reginald Denny) caught up in it, almost killed, as a LEO during my younger days I had my uniform shirt pocket ripped off during an incident and a can of orange Fanta soda upside the head, that evening, thank God for K-9 Cops and lean mean bitting machines that day. The next one after that was a blur of big oak riot battons and OC spray city, still with bricks and concrete comming your way, it gets exciting to say the least. Now I have also been in smaller cities (Tacoma WA, and Indianapolis IN) during minor displays of civil unrest, my car surrounded at a stop light by stick and pipe armed underprivleged and disadvantaged people of color, and at the time all I had was Mr. Walther PPK/s and six rounds of .380 on me,(my Pre Glock days BUG), but unzipping my coat, and showing I was armed, was sufficiant crowd control that afternoon. Here in INDY one year a woman driving to work through civil unrest received a brick to the head that almost killed her, so since I am always armed, I would try and stay out of harms way, but who knows maybe another spare mag wouldn't hurt.
 
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1995GMC "I don't live in an area susceptible to the idiotic behavior seen lately, but still makes me think I should go back to carrying a double stack 9mm and a couple of spare mags, rather than a G42 and a spare mag or an LCR and a couple of speed strips."

however I completely agree with Fred's response;
"The Aurora shooting could have been resolved by a cool head & skilled response with a 5shot j frame."

I am a firm believer that no matter how Heavily armed someone may be, they are still no match for a cool thinking - proper training individual.

I also agree with other's responses that you do whatever you can to keep you and your loved ones out of the type of areas that would put them in harms way in the first place. This may not always be the easiest choice but it is the best choice.

10 years ago I moved out of a city environment to a rural more country type atmosphere. Yes it was expensive and a total pain, but it beats bolting our doors and constantly looking over your shoulder. Once you get used to the crickets late in the evening you sleep just like a baby at night. :thumbsup:
 
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Not really, I don't attend riots...

...and if I find myself in the middle of one I will only shoot enough to convince them to let me leave.



Regards,
Happyguy :)
 
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I think it's a valid reason to reconsider your EDC. People that say riots don't happen often enough, or that they're broadcast ahead of time, are kidding themselves. Much the same way people who don't carry at all say things like "I live in a nice neighborhood, so I don't need to carry a gun". Sounds great until it happens, then what? Sometimes we simply get caught in a bad place. What if you were there (there being wherever a riot has occurred, not Baltimore specifically) for business, or a family trip, and SHTF before you were due/able to get outta Dodge? That'd sure be a bad time to come to the realization that your 5 shot .38 is kinda light in the rear-end to to much good.

Like the other days of the year when there isn't a riot happening, we all gotta decide what we want to be prepared for and weigh it against what we're willing to carry on a daily basis.

I feel bad for the business owners in that city. Because of where they live, many of them probably don't have the means to defend themselves, or their businesses.
 
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