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Nice video showing the power of the .22LR round.

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#1 · (Edited)
This surprised me to see how much penetration was achieved by the .22, also note the ammo used. These two rounds offer performance well above the average .22 round and would no doubt be the best choice if needed for SD! Another example of how increasing a rounds speed greatly improves performance.
 
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If you're shooting varmints hiding behind your walls, that's great. Increasing velocity increases velocity, not practical stopping power, with any handgun round. If you want to see velocity improving performance, move to a carbine. However, even then, based on testing, high velocity 5.56 rounds penetrate fewer interior barriers and inches of ballistic gelatin than that old, slow 9mm, which is one reason law enforcement agencies moved from 9mm subguns to 5.56 carbines en masse. Old myths die hard.
 
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I was focused on his pronunciation of "stanger" too. Really hammering home the G as well.

These are not new rounds. Both have been around for years. There are gel tests on them if you check youtube. Neither makes the 22lr a great defensive cartridge, but they would ruin someone's day for sure.
 
#13 ·
You guys realize you can poke holes in drywall w/ a pointy stick right? Doesn't make a stick an adequate fight stopper??? 22lr solids penetrate, it's what they do well. A HP in drywall might as well be a solid. FWIW, vel is your friend when penetrating solid objects. Why the 223 is impressive on a piece of steel & a 44mag jhp less so, but I know which I would choose to hunt deer size game with.
 
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If you're shooting varmints hiding behind your walls, that's great. Increasing velocity increases velocity, not practical stopping power, with any handgun round. If you want to see velocity improving performance, move to a carbine. However, even then, based on testing, high velocity 5.56 rounds penetrate fewer interior barriers and inches of ballistic gelatin than that old, slow 9mm, which is one reason law enforcement agencies moved from 9mm subguns to 5.56 carbines en masse. Old myths die hard.
I'm sure you are correct. I hadn't looked at this in some time and found this video which kind of surprised me how well these 5.56 64gr GDHPs did. They penetrated 10 sheets of 1/2" drywall at 25' and traveled an additional 6" into ballistic gel. Granted that the 9mm 115gr XTPs traveled 3 more inches into the gel, but the difference was much less than I expected from what I remember reading and seeing with other gel tests. I imagine a 147gr 9mm HP would travel even further into the gel, yet I thought the 5.56mm HP would have busted up traveling through "five" walls.


 
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Some people are so set in their caliber wars mindset that they feel compelled to drag irrelevant references to other handgun and rifle calibers into the discussion of a simple backyard test of some very cool .22 ammo. This was a comparison of two high performance .22 rounds nothing more nothing less. My personal preference between the two is the 40gr velocitor at 1435 fps. it is a traditional bullet that doesn't fragment like the stinger.
 
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Some people feel so inadequate about their personal pet caliber that they need to introduce threads about other calibers to somehow justify their own preconceived biases about velocity being the deciding factor in self-defense ammunition. Then they have to continually jump in to justify their choice, trying to fend off the reality that their choice is dying, slowly, in the marketplace. Oh, well. Another example of how increasing a rounds [sic] speed greatly improves performance, in fantasyland, at least.
 
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The venerable .22LR & .22MAG have been around for a while. I suspect I'd naturally obtain the best performance for .22LR from my 6" & 4" Ruger pistols.

When I decide to slip a NAA 1 1/8" .22LR or .22MAG in my pocket, the LR is loaded with either Mini-Mag's or Stingers, and the MAG is loaded with Hornady CD (because I can't find any of the Speer GDHP locally, yet).

I don't look for either diminutive .22 to meet the oft-mentioned FBI guidelines for duty ammunition, but then they aren't duty weapons, just emergency "Onion Field" type guns.

I have a 2" Black Widow (LR/MAG conversion w/low fixed sights) on back-order, and once I replace those huge, gaudy BW grip stocks with one of the standard rubber sets (either the 1-piece slip-on or the stocks which are secured with a screw), I'd like to find some of the GDHP .22MAG, if only because it's been optimized for the 1.9"/2" barrel of the common .22MAG snub revolvers.

Having the conversion cylinder might make it handier for being able to take the LR cylinder along for some (lawful) plinking, but to carry it with the MAG cylinder. Beats taking both 1 1/8" NAA revolvers along on a trip. I also like the BW model for the way the cylinder pin is retained, and the slightly beefier (dare I say cute?? :p) vent rib barrel might make it more enjoyable for plinking. Ditto having some sights, as I've found that even my standard NAA revolvers are capable of more practical accuracy (like for plinking) than some people might suspect.

I thought about the new Sidewinder, to make it easier to manipulate for the loading process, but they want as much for them (or more) as some other companies want for "regular" revolvers.

Now that I'm retired, and have accepted that I have so many more dedicated defensive handguns in my safe than I can ever really justify owning, I find that I'm more interested in rounding out my "enjoyable/fun" niche. If they can also serve some supplementary practical role? So much the better. For me, this more or less means SA revolvers, including the NAA (which some folks like to refer to as novelty firearms or men's "pocket jewelry").

I'd not mind replacing that Ruger Bearcat which got traded off and left a hole in the collection many, many years ago, with a Bearcat Shop Keeper model, or even a .357 or .44 Sheriff's Model.
 
#21 ·
CCI Stinger is da shiznit.
The average .22 has a velocity of 1260 fps at 36gr of weight resulting in around 125 ft/lbs of energy. The Velocitor at 1435 fps, the 40gr bullet develops 180 ft/lbs energy, the Stinger 1640 fps, 32gr bullet gets 190 ft/lbs energy! A quick look at the energy numbers and the superiority of the CCI rounds is pretty obvious.
 
#23 ·
For squirrels & rabbits, yes.
 
#22 ·
Wonder how much insulation would have helped slow them down? Pretty sure all walls, interior and exterior, have insulation in them..
Generally speaking, single family residential construction uses 1/2" drywall, and only exterior walls are insulated. In multifamily and commercial constructions, 5/8" is much more common and often required by code, with insulation used in walls between apartment or condo units, but usually not in walls within each unit. Sometimes, between units, you may find a stagger stud wall, two walls with an air gap, or other sound and fire resistant techniques that may be more bullet resistant. In offices, insulation is often used inside all interior walls to reduce sound transmission from phone conversations and meetings.
 
#24 · (Edited)
Any firearm caliber can kill. Some folks have an obsession with denigrating certain calibers just because they're hardwired to do so, dragging in irrelevant sidebars to justify their obsessions/prejudices. Three bored young men in Duncan, OK, killed an Australian college exchange student about five years ago from a passing car with a single shot from a .22lr.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...oredom-killing-that-has-shocked-oklahoma.html

When my daughter was 12 years old she sometimes had to stay in the home by herself before my wife and I got back from work. I taught her to safely handle and fire my Ruger Mark II as the 9mm and .357sig would have been too intimidating for her. She had no difficulties with the gun/caliber and her confidence level was very high, an important factor for a defender no matter what the age.

I prefer all the premium CCI JHP rounds but would pick the Velocitor if I could have only one.
 
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Any .22 round will kill a rabbit or squirrel if they stand still long enough to let you get a good shot. The premium CCI .22 rounds have enough punch to "more effectively" kill larger game such as fox or ground hog size critters and they have a longer effective range.
I'm a believer in proper tool for any job. While i can pound nails with the butt of a screw driver, a hammer is a better tool. 22lr is a small varmint round, large jackrabbits would be my limit. Anything bigger gets a more gun. Worked well for me for 40yrs & a three continents hunting. Yes i could head shoot just about anything with a 22lr, but that isnt really telling about effectivness of the round. This carries over into my mindset on self def calibers too. Shoot the biggest gun you can effectively hit with. No such thing as over kill.
Going back to the video, what exactly does it prove? I can probably drive a pointy #3 rebar thru a dozen sheets of 1/2" drywall??
 
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#28 ·
The video is interesting but it doesn't prove anything other than the number of sheet rock these rounds will penetrate. I really don't think the guy who posted the video was trying to "prove" anything, he seems to just be enjoying shooting his .22 in different and interesting situations and seemed surprised at his results. The proof of these rounds comes with the numbers printed on the box, they prove these bullets have a greater velocity, longer range of effectiveness, and more energy that produces a generally more effective round whether the game is relatively large or small or in between. I am sure the CCI engineers gave a good deal of thought to the development of these rounds and I think they did a good job. And again we are not talking about other calibers we are comparing .22 rounds.
 
#29 ·
Any .22 round will kill a rabbit or squirrel if they stand still long enough to let you get a good shot. The premium CCI .22 rounds have enough punch to "more effectively" kill larger game such as fox or ground hog size critters and they have a longer effective range.
I'm not a hunter but I do go after armadillos that dig up my sister's rural home.

The Federal bulk 36-grain plated JHP ammo is what I normally use and the last critter I bagged was shot four times at a distance of 12-15 feet. All four shots penetrated at a perpendicular angle to the left side and exited the right side. The armadillo weighed about 15 pounds. The pistol used is a Ruger Mark II with tapered 6 7/8" barrel.
 
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As i noted, under 3-4# or so, 22lr hp can be quite effective with com hits.
 
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The only thing other then targets that I have shot at with the .22 LR is ground hogs. I live in a some-what rural area and from time to time some of our friends who own farms up here start getting those destructive large rodents and we need to "thin them out a bit". Now a .223 rifle works great but a .22 rifle will take care of business in a pinch.

I have a Savage Mark II with a cheap Bushnell scope. I usually use the CCI Stingers for this job. Now we rarely are shooting beyond 30 or 40 yards so these are mostly up close shots and it does very well. These critters are about the most I would ever use a .22 LR round for, IMHO, anything larger I you will need a larger caliber to be completely effective - with a .22, you are just going to hope they just don't bounce off.

Just some numbers for you to "chew on";
Test gun is my Savage Mark II w/20.75" barrel

Federal "Champion" .22 LR 36g Copper plated HP
Velocity - Box labeled at - 1,260" fps / my 6 shot average - 1,227.6 fps.
CCI Velocitor .22 LR 40g Copper Plated HP
Velocity - Box labeled at - 1,435 fps / My 6 shot average - 1,368.4 fps
CCI Stinger - .22 LR 32g Copper plated HP
Velocity - Box labeled at - 1,640 fps / My 6 shot average - 1,531.1 fps

These are all right in the wheel house of "as advertized" velocity numbers, and I don't know about all the facts about penetration numbers/information, but for small critters this is fine. Any larger critters (including humans) I would have to say... get a larger caliber bullet.
 
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