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Glock Minus 4.5 LB. Connector vs. Third Party 3.5 LB. Connectors ?

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#1 ·
I have tried a couple of after market (third party) 3.5 LB. connectors on my G17 gen 3 with varied results : The biggest problem was achieving a good fit , reliability and then lastly a "mushy" feel ... I have not tried the Glock OEM Minus 4.5 LB. connector yet : Does the Glock OEM Minus 4.5 LB. connector achieve a slightly lower trigger pull than the standard 5.5 lb. trigger while maintaining the crisp trigger feel (i.e. non - "mushy") with the same reset as the stock 5.5 LB. connector ? ... Thanks in advance for replies from those who have experience with the Glock OEM Minus 4.5lb. connector .
 
#3 ·
Greetings,
I have used these 3.5 lb. connectors in my 9mm's - http://www.glockstore.com/3-5-pound-connector
Along with what is known as the .25 ¢ trigger job, makes my trigger pull smooth and consistent, but not what I would consider "crisp" feel. This is sort of the trade off in my opinion anyway, that the lighter you go the more you give up in that crisp "feel" that most people are looking for, smooth & fast yes.

Perhaps others can chime in with their experience and advise but I use this connector and process to achieve the type of feel that I am looking for. The main purpose for my G17, 19 & 26 is for Home/Self defense, so I want that smooth fast and consistent pull on my 9mm triggers.

I am sure you already know this but it is worth mentioning anyway that any "adjustments" made to your trigger or trigger group does take some getting used to and in some cases be prepared for quite a different feel.

That's my .02 ¢ anyway, I hope this helps.
 
#4 ·
I have tried a couple of after market (third party) 3.5 LB. connectors on my G17 gen 3 with varied results : The biggest problem was achieving a good fit , reliability and then lastly a "mushy" feel ... I have not tried the Glock OEM Minus 4.5 LB. connector yet : Does the Glock OEM Minus 4.5 LB. connector achieve a slightly lower trigger pull than the standard 5.5 lb. trigger while maintaining the crisp trigger feel (i.e. non - "mushy") with the same reset as the stock 5.5 LB. connector ? ... Thanks in advance for replies from those who have experience with the Glock OEM Minus 4.5lb. connector .
Morning ChrisD46

In a word-NO.

I have yet to install a Glock (-) connector that I am happy with long term.

When first installed the trigger feel is softer & poundage pull-through is lower so it feels sort of OK when dry firing (livable) & even feels good for a while at the range.

But you don't get something for nothing when it comes mechanical advantage (if you want a lower pull-through weight then the pull poundage starts building earlier in the pull cycle & you need to pull it longer along the ramp until break so they get somewhat mushy.

For me (personally) I seem to shoot the Glock more accurately with a trigger pull with a decided wall & crisp-short-break so usually don't leave the (-) connectors in for more than one day at the range.

BUT to each their own-- so my suggestion is to buy a (-) connector & try it for yourself, you might like it. Just don't judge the (-) connector/trigger pull-through UNTIL you take the gun to the shooting range a few times.

Personally I like the (-) connector as every time I install one it re-affirms my like for the (.) or (no-mark) connectors.

Connectors are cheap so buy some (a few different brands/pull weights) & evaluate for yourself. You will either like the new connector/trigger pull characteristics or hate them---either way your will either make peace with your stock connector or put something in you can live with trade-off wise.
 
#5 ·
I use the Glock MINUS connector only in my all-otherwise stock Gen4 Glocks, were it will produce a 5.0-lbf peak trigger pull. But I do not find it especially superior to the Gen4 stock DOT connector.

I do NOT like the MINUS connector in my pre-Gen4 Glocks because of the increased creep near end of trigger travel. I am happy with the stock UNMARKED connector.

FWIW, regardless of the deceptive BS from all of the aftermarket hucksters, no one makes a 3.5-lbf connector...as defined by the peak pull that results in a Glock with stock OEM FP, FP Safety, and Trigger Springs. The MINUS connector produces a 4.5-lbf pull in such pistols, as will those so-called "3.5-lbf" aftermarket tricks.
 
#6 ·
Suggest you pick your poison and practice. Those that are putting 20k plus a year down range, deal with the tool and learn by muscle memory. I prefer Glock connectors and the minus, I have (7) gen 3's and have been accustomed to what to expect. I carry and compete with the same whether it be a 26, 30s or 17.
I deal with the creep before the wall and bridge, it's been this way now for 15 years and over 100k rounds. If I acquire ..... Possibly (2) G33 and (2) G27's I will look for Gen 3's and incorporate the same as I have done in the past.
 
#7 ·
I have Glock "-" connectors in my Gen 4 34 and 35. Both are Blue Labels, so I had to install them my self.

The trigger pull is just a bit mushy, but reduced my pull weight form 5.5 to 4.5 pounds on both pistols.

I probably have 3,500 rounds through the 34 and it feels better than the 35 with maybe 400 rounds..

I do hit 8" plates at 39 feet much better with the "-" connectors
 
#8 ·
All my Gen4 Glocks have the DOT connector. I have never felt the need to change them. I like the feel of the trigger just as they are. I also like the fact that they all feel very similar. Maybe I am in the minority, but I just have no desire to mess with the trigger group. About the only thing that I have done to any of them is change the sights. Honestly, even the factory sights are really not that bad.

Regards,

Chuck
 
#10 ·
I've tried pretty much all of the OEM and aftermarket standard style 3.5lb connectors. None of them gave me quite what I was looking for.

I've finally settled on the Ghost Evo Elite 3.5lb connector. Ghost makes a great product that works, as long as you install and fit it properly.

I'd recommend trying a connector with a built in overtravel stop tab. Yes, they require some fitting. But the end result is above and beyond what you get with a regular 3.5lb connector.
 
#11 ·
#17 ·
Try this: 4.5lb striker spring, with a 6lb trigger spring and a standard 5.5 connector.

$9 shipped.


http://www.ndzperformance.com/Wolf-For-Glock-Competition-Trigger-Spring-Kit-p/wlf-c-tsk.htm

It gives my Glock a very nice trigger. I will never buy another connector again. I only use the stock safety block plunger spring.

With my Glock 22 it works excellent for the .40 and conversion barrels for .357 sig, and 9mm.

Just a suggestion.

:cool:
Bad advice for Gen 4 Glocks as the 6# trigger spring "MAY" not allow the trigger to reset.
 
#12 ·
Does the Glock OEM Minus 4.5 LB. connector achieve a slightly lower trigger pull than the standard 5.5 lb. trigger while maintaining the crisp trigger feel (i.e. non - "mushy")
I've never really understood what people mean by 'mushy' when describing a Glock trigger. I can say I've got 7 Glock pistols with the minus connectors and the triggers feel awesome. The only thing I can imagine that would make the triggers better is installing heavier trigger springs, but I'd rather have the crisper resets. Keep in mind my minus connectors are highly polished at ALL the contact points...not shiny polished, but actually smooth and shiny. This takes more than 10 min and a Q-tip. I've let a few Glock nerds that I associate with at my ranges shoot a couple of my minus connector Glocks and they have said they are the smoothest Glock triggers they've felt. Creep can make a trigger feel heavier than it is, especially during a slow trigger pull. If your trigger feels like it runs on ball bearings, a high 4lb pull is nothing. The OEM '-' connector is very good. You just have to get the friction points smooth and do NOT round anything off that isn't already.

No reason the 1911 guys should have all the great triggers.
 
#13 ·
I also use the minus connectors with a high polish. The mush (creep) that the guys talk about(I asked) was the travel to get to the point where there is no travel and shooting from reset where you are right on the bridge. To each there own, I have trained for 20 years with the minus connectors, have 7 Glocks and that's enough, those that prefer whatever have their own right to pursue there setup of choice. I will suggest such for future comments.
 
#15 ·
I used to use Glock - connectors in all my Glocks, but then I tried the Ghost Edge 3.5 and I switched them all out. I prefer the long, smooth pull first shot with no wall before the break the Edge 3.5 gives. I never liked that wall before the break Glock has.
 
#22 ·
I tried the Ghost Edge and honestly I cannot tell the difference between that and the minus connector, both with a NY-1 spring so I just went back to stock. I swear the barrel lockup got a little stiffer with the Edge but my G4 19 always is a little stiffer than my other Glocks for some reason, it may be the Gen 4 9mm RSA that accounts for that.

You can change out this stuff in about two minutes flat once you get the hang of it. Glocks are amazing.
 
#23 ·
I think that greater stiffness in the lockup you feel is due to the connector tab on the Ghost - it sticks out toward the slide a touch more, so when racking, it takes more force to move it over the slide hump that pushes the connector inboard to let the trigger bar pop up. It feel like the slide is slightly stuck at the beginning when you go to rack it.
 
#27 ·
I have tried a couple of after market (third party) 3.5 LB. connectors on my G17 gen 3 with varied results : The biggest problem was achieving a good fit , reliability and then lastly a "mushy" feel ... I have not tried the Glock OEM Minus 4.5 LB. connector yet : Does the Glock OEM Minus 4.5 LB. connector achieve a slightly lower trigger pull than the standard 5.5 lb. trigger while maintaining the crisp trigger feel (i.e. non - "mushy") with the same reset as the stock 5.5 LB. connector ? ... Thanks in advance for replies from those who have experience with the Glock OEM Minus 4.5lb. connector .

The reason why it feels mushy is because the nature of the "-" connector is a longer shallower angle. You are trading Force for Distance. I have a "-" Scherer connector, and it works great. I know some people claim that brand doesn't work, but mine does.


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#37 ·
I don’t know about consensus. But the OEM “-“ connector with a $0.25 polish job gives me the crispist break than the three different aftermarket connectors I range tested in my G43 with a minimum of 1K rounds of live fire with each.
 
#29 ·
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I've tried most of the available connectors. I like the Evo Elite best and next the V4 race connector.The Evo Elite for a smooth pull with no overtravel. The V4 for a light, crisper break.
The gun i shoot the most is my EDC which has a polished but otherwise stock trigger.
 
#30 ·
There are many changes that can be made to a Glock trigger to reduce pull. They all have additional effects. For example, changing the connector's ramp angle changes the rate at which the work of moving the trigger tail down the ramp is done, but not the amount of work.

The Glock system is a delicate balance of forces. In stock form, there is plenty of tolerance to absorb physical inconsistencies in parts, shooter idiosyncrasies, a range of ammo power, etc. As you refine the system toward a specific goal (lighter pull, for example) it becomes increasingly important to understand and maintain the balance of all the parts.

I use OE minus connectors in all my Glocks - match and carry. They have proven themselves to be the best overall connector for my purposes. But each shooter has his own individual preferences and objectives.
 
#31 ·
When I shoot poorly, it's not cuz of the trigger. When I shoot good, it's also not cuz of the trigger. I keep my triggers all OEM and focus on learning how to use them better. My 19.3 has been just fine, and my 43 feels pretty good to me. I've also shot several Glocks with different connectors and springs and frankly it didn't make much difference to me. Maybe I'm still too much of a novice to really know the difference.
 
#33 ·
the suggestion I'm about to make is not for a carry weapon, if we're talking a range gun and you are a consummate tinkerer than this may be a solution for you.

Ultimate trigger stop, not one you buy, one you will need to make as it has adjustments for both over travel and take up, do a google search for details.

I made one and have it installed in my 37.3, it does nothing to eliminate the mushy feel of a lower poundage trigger but by adjusting the take up to minimum it lessens the mushy sensation as the amount of take up is adjusted to just return past the reset.

my 37 has a 3.5 trigger weight and set up as I have described I know exactly when the trigger will break and exactly when it will reset.

this is not a modification for any one with out mechanical skills and you will need an armors tool and an armors slide cover as I guarantee at some point in the trial and error process of adjustment you will come to the point of no trigger break and sans these tools, you'll have to disassemble the slide while still on the weapon.

a few words so caution if you decide to proceed---proceed with caution--- as you may very well create an unsafe trigger that will discharge at the slightest mishandling, never EVER trip the striker with an armors tool on a loaded chamber, doing so will causer the loaded round to discharge causing the rapid, rearward movement of the slide----with your hand just behind it in close proximity, bad things will happen.

standard internet forum disclaimer applies, if you proceed your on your own, any results of undertaking this modification, good or bad, are yours and yours only.

sig357fan
 
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